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Re: no systemd in containers: Requires -> Recommends

[Craig Garner]

I usually don't say anything and just read...it's not really my place.  I
just like to keep up with things going on.  But, by the time you finish
worrying about all the overhead and things get finalized, there's going to
be so damn much RAM and processing power no one will care.  Kind of like
developing one white blood cell to defend your entire body.



On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Colin Walters  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, at 01:19 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >
> > In either case, you're going to wind up butchering a fair amount of what
> the rpm
> > is going to be doing anyway.  If its so important to minimize that
> storage, rpm
> > dependencies shouldn't really be a big deal, because you know you're
> going to
> > have to either do some FS surgery anyway.
>
> What I'm actually arguing long term is to rearchitect the model of the
> subset
> of Fedora that is for server containers to support this - something like a
> "just the binaries"
> data blob, and then *optionally* turn that intermediate into an RPM that
> would
> have a systemd unit file.  It could really be an RPM, just without the
> %post
> scripts relating to systemd and the unit files.
>
> In practice though, it's not a big deal as long as shared libraries don't
> end up pulling in systemd or other components.  And for software that's
> container-only, the build process (Dockerfile or something better in the
> future) for containers just won't require it.
>
> > Yes, its more than one process.  I think thats the better tradeoff
> though.
>
> What you're arguing is that *build* convenience for our current
> architecture
> outweighs the *runtime* cost.  That doesn't make sense long term - they're
> different problems.
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Re: no systemd in containers: Requires -> Recommends

[Craig Garner]

3D XPoint

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Josh Boyer <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 17.12.2015 um 21:47 schrieb Craig Garner:
> >>
> >> I usually don't say anything and just read...it's not really my place.
> >> I just like to keep up with things going on.  But, by the time you
> >> finish worrying about all the overhead and things get finalized, there's
> >> going to be so damn much RAM and processing power no one will care.
> >> Kind of like developing one white blood cell to defend your entire body.
> >
> >
> > this is pure nonsense and the attitude "going to be so damn much RAM and
> > processing power no one will care" is the reason that machines these days
> > are not nearby as fast as they could and should be compared with
> machines 10
> > years ago - brainless ressource wasting
>
> Please, please stop calling other people's ideas nonsense.  There's no
> need for it.  You would do much better to get your point across by
> just providing your details and specifics.  This entire paragraph is
> unnecessarily antagonistic.  It immediately puts people on the
> defensive.
>
> > when you have real production load and a ton of virtual machines and
> > containers running on the same host and every one of them is wasting
> > ressources the summary of all the overhead is something you care or
> should
> > care about
>
> This alone would have gone much farther in furthering the discussion.
>
> josh
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Re: make unmaintained ??

[Craig Garner]

Hi.  I think the current one is still 4.1

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 4.1 was released one year ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1150488
> Can anyone update it ?
>
> -thanks-
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Re: make unmaintained ??

[Craig Garner]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Am 24.10.2015 um 19:45 schrieb Craig Garner:
>
>> Hi.  I think the current one is still 4.1
>>
>
> no idea what you try to tell us when we have "make-4.0-3.1.fc22.x86_64"
> and 4.1 was released a year ago without making it into Fedora
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez
>> <xose.vazq...@gmail.com <mailto:xose.vazq...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 4.1 was released one year ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1150488
>> Can anyone update it ?
>>
>
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My mistake.  I did not realize what you were saying.  I thought you were
referring to something newer than 4.1.
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