Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!
Hi again, /*John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com*/ wrote on شنبه ۰۸ مه ۱۰، ۱۹:۵۴:۰۳: On 05/08/2010 06:31 AM, drago01 wrote: The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. That's only part of it. There's around 4GB of data, and more than a few persons would like to use via PackageKit after the initial install, too. I frequently install just the Internet Desktop, then add other packages days or weeks later. Installing software from it afterwards is pointless anyway as updates might cause dep conflicts and or provide newer/fixed versions anyway. Updated media are produced by others. For instance, Fedora Unity produced an updated DVD of Fedora 12 as of March 3: http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins Using pungi I generate an updated DVD in about half an hour (after updating my cache of the .rpm.) In many many second- and third-world places outside of larger cities, high-speed internet is only a dream. In the US there are several million persons whose fastest internet connection is a 53 Kbit/second dialup modem, and tens of millions with only 1.5 Mbit/second DSL. A physical DVD via postal mail (or borrowed from a neighbor) is much faster, particularly when something doesn't work correctly the first time. Practical progress: Looking at the bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435625 (installation media support in PackageKit) it seems to me that much of the angst involves split media (mounting multiple CDs.) Why not implement major partial progress by requiring that a single platter [only] be mounted before invoking PackageKit? Then a DVD or the correct CD (typically one of five or six) succeeds, otherwise you get told which platter to mount before trying again (perhaps accumulating .rpms in a temporary on-disk repo, etc.) This is not a slick-and-shiny-100% solution, but it can work. Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the implementation is done, the only missing part is how to mount the CD/DVD in PackageKit! Thanks, Hedayat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۸ 06:01, drago01 wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Hedayat Vatankhahheda...@grad.com wrote: Hi all, There is a bug in Fedora package management since FC4 (except Fedora 8) that potentially affects ALL of the Fedora installation DVD users (people who are not annoyed by this bug will probably find other alternatives more suitable (e.g. Live CD install, Network install or the new BFO if I spell correctly!)). The reason that this bug is still open is not technical, but almost completely political. And as I see it in the current state, it is not going to be fixed anytime soon. The mentioned bug is this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435625 (installation media support in PackageKit). While a user can create a repo file for the DVD's mount point and go with it, but that is not acceptable for a new user to live with such a solution. It is really annoying that the installation DVD is useless for an ordinary user after installation. And this is really unfortunate that this bug is still open because of such small issues. Why? The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. Installing software from it afterwards is pointless anyway as updates might cause dep conflicts and or provide newer/fixed versions anyway. Somebody who have a good internet connection and will install any new packages from the internet will not go with installing from DVD at the first place. Why should somebody download more than 3GB and use a very small amount of it at the installation time and then install any extra packages from the internet?! Such a person will probably use LiveCD install, or he can happily download the netinst iso (which is just about 150MB) and then install directly from the internet. Notice that a lot of DVD users do not download it themselves and will buy it or receive it from another person. And they need to be able to use it as much as possible. If it is still ambiguous, let me bring an example: currently I have only a dial-up connection at home. As a result, my Fedora 11 installation is not updated at all (maybe only its pidgin, which I have downloaded by hand and installed). Even downloading the repository metadata is something I try to avoid as much as possible. So, I almost NEVER update my Linux installation in home, except if I really need it or it is so small (thanks to delta rpm, it is possible to update a little more). There are many users which will almost never install any packages from the internet except when they really need it, and also you should be aware that many prefer to buy DVDs which contain additional software rather than downloading that themselves. Goo luck, Hedayat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 11:47, Seth Vidal wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: Hi, Warren Togami war...@togami.com wrote on پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰، ۰۲:۱۰:۴۸:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 02:10, Warren Togami wrote: (10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73% [- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB 3340883129410265958989882401668816722716705737932:48 ETA Anyone else seeing this kind of behavior with F-13 yum within kvm or vmware guests? It seems to happen consistently here in the middle of downloading multiple packages where I need to kill yum and try again. It is nothing new if you've tried using yum in a poor internet connection. I've seen it regularly in Fedora 12 and IIRC Fedora 11. Hedayat, take the python-urlgrabber pkg from rawhide 0 3.9.1-6.fc14 and give it a whirl. OK, I'll do it ASAP and let you know the results (I'll probably unable to do so until Sunday, but then I'll try it). Thanks, Hedayat -sv -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests
Hi, /*Warren Togami war...@togami.com*/ wrote on پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰، ۰۲:۱۰:۴۸:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 02:10, Warren Togami wrote: (10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73% [- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB 3340883129410265958989882401668816722716705737932:48 ETA Anyone else seeing this kind of behavior with F-13 yum within kvm or vmware guests? It seems to happen consistently here in the middle of downloading multiple packages where I need to kill yum and try again. It is nothing new if you've tried using yum in a poor internet connection. I've seen it regularly in Fedora 12 and IIRC Fedora 11. Good luck, Hedayat Warren -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
