RE: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > For me, the main challenge Fedora faces is **positioning**. > > > > > > Let me explain: (I don't have numbers but) in my (limited) experience, > > > when seasoned sysadmins need to launch a new system, they usually > > > think "Debian" as something reliable; when seasoned as well as > > > not-very-seasoned-in-Linux research engineers (I know better this > > > category, since I'm a researcher) need to setup a system for some demo > > > or experiment, they mostly think "Ubuntu" (yes, I know...); when we > > > see a new exciting service (such as Travis CI and the like) coming > > > out, they usually support Ubuntu; and so on and so forth, and I'm not > > > even talking about the desktop use case. > > > > > > So I think there's the challenge for Fedora, for all those people to > > > consider Fedora as a first option for their use cases. > > > > I agree that's a challenge. Any ideas for how to address it and change these > > perceptions? > > I'm far from having a satisfactory response to that, but I see two > fronts here. First, marketing. How does Ubuntu managed to be so > popular among less-experienced Linux users? I'm not sure, but I > suspect that good marketing has something to do with it. Yup, their website is pretty slick and well organized. Compare that to this: in Firefox I type fedoraproject.org and get redirected to getfedora.org. And then for docs or the wiki I get redirected to fp.o. I think there's room for improvement there to be consistent and clearly organized. Their site seems nicely tailored to their target markets so there's Marketing for ya. Admittedly they are a commercial company so that determines their look and feel too. But looking at debian.org and archlinux.org they too seem better organized (under a single domain). > Second, > exposure. If someone wants to configure a Travis CI instance, or a > Google Cloud instance for some data science pipeline, etc., etc., and > Fedora is there among the options available, then Fedora will > automatically come to mind as an option for the next project. Agree, establishing and/or improving relations with cloud providers & (embedded) hardware vendors would drive that. There's Marketing in there because you'll probably have to sell Fedora's USPs why those vendors would also want to carry Fedora or carry it as their prime distro. > Of > course that's not under our direct control, but if we know the > requirements for such third-party services, we can build specially > tailored spins and try to promote them in those > communities/projects/enterprises at all levels. > So 1) stay on the cutting edge, Yes, definitely. > 2) make it as easy as possible to choose Fedora over > other options, and That would require some market(ing) research so you know based on 'what' the choice is made. @Matthew: maybe do some research at FOSDEM? > 3) marketing and promotion may be a good recipe. Yes and frequent news releases that don't necessary focus on the technical side of things but more on meeting the needs of various target markets with a wording that non-technical people understand. Aka corporate marketing-speak :-) Best, Patrick ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: Donate 1 minute of your time to test upgrades from F30 to F31
-Original message- > From:Miroslav Suchý > Sent: Wednesday 11th September 2019 12:55 > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > Subject: Donate 1 minute of your time to test upgrades from F30 to F31 > > Do you want to make Fedora 31 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time and > try to run [*]: > > sudo dnf --releasever=31 --setopt=module_platform_id=platform:f31 > --enablerepo=updates-testing distro-sync > > If you get this prompt: > > ... > Total download size: XXX M > Is this ok [y/N]: > > you can answer N and nothing happens, no need to test the actual upgrade. No issues on my laptop with F30 Workstation + Dev and multimedia stuff (from rpmfusion): Transaction Summary == Install25 Packages Upgrade 1972 Packages Remove 4 Packages Total download size: 2.6 G Is this ok [y/N]: Looking forward to F31. Thank you all for your great work! Best, Patrick ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: automated packaging
On 22-03-17 19:18, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 04:22:08PM +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: Thanks for compiling that list. The Tito link gave a 404 so I edited it to point to https://github.com/dgoodwin/tito and also added centpkg which is used by CentOS. Does centpkg fit in this category? Isn't it basically just the same as fedpkg, but for CentOS? I thought that centpkg was based on/inspired by rdopkg but that doesn't seem to be the case. Went back to the wiki page to remove centpkg but my changes are not visible so moot. HTH, Patrick ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: automated packaging
On 22-03-17 16:02, Colin Walters wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2017, at 06:00 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: Hi, For several packages it is possible to automate build, test and package updating on multiple fedora releases (+epel) in a single keypress using the cockpituous (sic) tools [0]. These tools hide quirks and requirements of the fedora tooling, and allow a very efficient orchestration of package releases (see [1] for a script which releases gnutls for example). I started a list of these here a while ago: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Layered_build_scripts_for_package_maintainers Thanks for compiling that list. The Tito link gave a 404 so I edited it to point to https://github.com/dgoodwin/tito and also added centpkg which is used by CentOS. HTH, Patrick ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 21 Final blocker bug status report #1
On 22-11-14 07:25, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I'll volunteer to test https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1146232 "f21 workstation ships 'default' network, so loses connectivity when run in a VM" - libvirt / gnome-boxes - when do we expect TC3? The various iso images can be found here: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_TC3/ HTH, Patrick -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Review request: gimp-saver-plugin (need sponsor)
Hi, I would appreciate it if someone could review the gimp-saver-plugin package. I'm not an approved packager (need a sponsor) but if you have a package for review I'll be happy to have a look. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162731 gimp-saver-plugin is a combined Save, Save as, Overwrite, and Export plugin for GIMP. If you want to test the plugin: 1) install the plugin 2) start the GIMP 3) click Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts 4) unfold the Plug-Ins section 5) scroll down to "Saver Disabled python-fu-saver" 6) click on Disabled and assign shortcut (like Ctrl+S) 7) scroll down to "Saver as... Disabled python-fu-saver-as" 8) click on Disabled and assign shortcut (like Shift+Ctrl+S) 9) de-select "Save keyboard shotcuts on exit" if you don't want these shortcuts saved permanently 10) click Close 11) click File -> New -> Ok 12) add something to the canvas 13) press Ctrl+S or Shift+Ctrl+S Thanks, Patrick -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Does anybody plan to package GIMP Saver plugin?
On 11-11-14 11:51, Matěj Cepl wrote: http://shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/ It seems awfully useful (yes, I hate the Save/Export split), but I have too much already on my plate. I created one but am in need of a sponsor. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162731 If you can't be bothered with that then get the appropriate RPM from my scratch build: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=8098473 HTH, Patrick -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: No Mesa 10.3-1 in F21 (instead of rc3)?
Hi Stephen, On 10/10/2014 07:29 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: [snip] > According to > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-11757/mesa-10.3-1.20140927.fc21 > it only reached the stable karma threshold yesterday, so it will hit the > mirrors sometime tomorrow, most likely. That's good to hear. I didn't know that a (core) component during the dev cycle needed to go through the karma process so thanks for pointing that out. Cheers, Patrick -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
No Mesa 10.3-1 in F21 (instead of rc3)?
Hi, I'm wondering why Mesa 10.3-1 (so not the rc3 but the official 10.3 release) has not made it to F21. It fixes a bunch of crashes with Radeon r300 (and hence gnome-shell) for me. Thanks, Patrick -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
