Re: CVS admin requests

2010-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:32:20 -0600, Kevin wrote:

  The page Package Change Requests for existing packages is unclear:
  
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages
  
  Please expand on what explanatory text you want in addition to the
  Package Change Request template. If there is a branch request,
  e.g.  for a released dist version, is it necessary to transcribe the
  filled out template into a full sentence?
 
 Well, I'm not sure how to rephrase that... Basically we want to know
 if there are any non standard conditions to look at, ie: 
 
 - You are not the owner and want to maintain in epel. Did you contact
   the fedora owner and wait and/or hear back that they didn't want to
   maintain it?

How would I know that this would be relevant? And why is it relevant?
Can the Fedora package owner block another packager's request to become
the maintainer in EPEL? I don't think so.

 - Is the package a dead package you are bringing back?
 
 etc. 
 
 You don't need to add additional text for normal vanilla regular
 requests.

Now that you've given two examples, can't you simply sum up the special
situations in which you demand additional details? How many are there?

 - resurrecting an orphan or retired package
 - bringing a package to EPEL
 - ...
 - (?) transferring ownership

You know your requirements, so tell people what input you need.

 It just saves cvsadmins the time to ask you what you want. 

What is the template for then? It specifies exactly what a person
wants. If you are interested in some background (a full story of
what had happened prior to somebody filling out the template), you
could enumerate the special cirumstances when you need those extra
details.
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Re: CVS admin requests

2010-07-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:50:08 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

...snip...

  - You are not the owner and want to maintain in epel. Did you
  contact the fedora owner and wait and/or hear back that they didn't
  want to maintain it?
 
 How would I know that this would be relevant? And why is it relevant?
 Can the Fedora package owner block another packager's request to
 become the maintainer in EPEL? I don't think so.

No. There is a process however: 

- Check to see if fedora packager is on the I don't do EPEL list 
If they are, great, request. 
- If they are not on that list, file a bug and ask if they wish to
  maintain in EPEL. If they say no in the bug, great, request. 
- If they don't answer in a week, great request. 

Sometimes however we get requests that request the branch, are filed on
something different where the fedora maintainer is not cc'ed and they
don't want to wait a week anyhow. 

  - Is the package a dead package you are bringing back?
  
  etc. 
  
  You don't need to add additional text for normal vanilla regular
  requests.
 
 Now that you've given two examples, can't you simply sum up the
 special situations in which you demand additional details? How many
 are there?

I don't know. 

When have you been asked for additional details?

  - resurrecting an orphan or retired package
  - bringing a package to EPEL
  - ...
  - (?) transferring ownership
 
 You know your requirements, so tell people what input you need.

Sure, How about we strike that part entirely, and if there is some
question, cvsadmin's can just ask in the bug. 

  It just saves cvsadmins the time to ask you what you want. 
 
 What is the template for then? It specifies exactly what a person
 wants. If you are interested in some background (a full story of
 what had happened prior to somebody filling out the template), you
 could enumerate the special cirumstances when you need those extra
 details.

Because sometimes we don't know if we can act on the template right
then. 

Another example: 

New package review cvs request, but the submitter says someone else
entirely should be the owner of the new package. Should we ask them if
the person has said thats ok? If they added a note saying I've asked
bob to be the owner, as he works on this upstream, he's ok with this. 
It would save us the round trip to ask that. 

Anyhow, I guess I would say we should just strike that and cvsadmins
can ask if there are questions. I just don't want people to get mad at
a delay when we do so. 

kevin


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Re: CVS admin requests

2010-07-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:21:06 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 The page Package Change Requests for existing packages is unclear:
 
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages
 
 Please expand on what explanatory text you want in addition to the
 Package Change Request template. If there is a branch request,
 e.g.  for a released dist version, is it necessary to transcribe the
 filled out template into a full sentence?

Well, I'm not sure how to rephrase that... Basically we want to know
if there are any non standard conditions to look at, ie: 

- You are not the owner and want to maintain in epel. Did you contact
  the fedora owner and wait and/or hear back that they didn't want to
  maintain it?

- Is the package a dead package you are bringing back?

etc. 

You don't need to add additional text for normal vanilla regular
requests. It just saves cvsadmins the time to ask you what you want. 

kevin


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CVS admin requests

2010-06-26 Thread Michael Schwendt
The page Package Change Requests for existing packages is unclear:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages

Please expand on what explanatory text you want in addition to the
Package Change Request template. If there is a branch request, e.g.  for
a released dist version, is it necessary to transcribe the filled out
template into a full sentence?
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