Re: External HD fs was: Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 02:03:03PM +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 15/11/10 13:54, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
> 
> >
> > there are very good reasons to use anything but DOS-FAT. For example
> > F10 and F12 automount said filesystems with drastically different options
> > by default (filename downcasing), using any other FS avoids this trap
> > and many other issues.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> 
> What would you reccomend?
> That would attched itself nicely
> to Win <=7, and Mac <=Leopard
> out of the box (so to speak)

ironically, a few months ago I really needed interoperability with some kind
of Windows. So I formatted 2 USB sticks using fdisk and mkdosfs taking special
care to make it look as close as possible as the normal USB stick partition
table - the other users windows did not read it anyway.

So Fedora is definitely evil and perhaps if I had used ext2 the interoperability
would have been better - the user would just download the fs driver or one of 
the 
userspace windows solutions and it would work.

Richard
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Re: External HD fs was: Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 11/15/10 8:39 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I assume that OS-X has not trouble with mounting various LinuxFS given 
> that it is a *nix breed.

Being unix-ish doesn't really help, you need an actual filesystem driver
for the OS.  There is an ext2/ext3 driver for osx (based on the bsd driver
I think) but that's about as far as it goes.

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Re: External HD fs was: Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/15/2010 02:03 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 15/11/10 13:54, Richard Zidlicky wrote:
> 
>> there are very good reasons to use anything but DOS-FAT. For example
>> F10 and F12 automount said filesystems with drastically different options
>> by default (filename downcasing), using any other FS avoids this trap
>> and many other issues.
>>
>> Richard
>>
> What would you reccomend?
> That would attched itself nicely
> to Win<=7, and Mac<=Leopard
> out of the box (so to speak)
>
> Without being expelled from College.
> (we're talking Linux is evil incarnate territory)

I think you got things backwards which is perhaps because we have gotten 
so used to chasing other OSes that we have lost focus on the fact we are 
trying to create good usable desktop on GNU/Linux and we should turn our 
focus on Linux and start by fixing all interoperability issues and 
improve the ease of use and sharing between 2 Linux desktops ( and 
various *DE ) when we have done that we can start looking at 
interoperability issues with other OSes.

To my knowledge there is nothing preventing other OS to support all the 
LinuxFS out there and until they choose to do so users of such OS will 
simply have to install tools like ext2read [1] ( Windows 7 ) if they 
want to access files on devices that have LinuxFS on them.

I assume that OS-X has not trouble with mounting various LinuxFS given 
that it is a *nix breed.

JBG

1. http://ext2read.blogspot.com/
2. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/
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External HD fs was: Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On 15/11/10 13:54, Richard Zidlicky wrote:

>
> there are very good reasons to use anything but DOS-FAT. For example
> F10 and F12 automount said filesystems with drastically different options
> by default (filename downcasing), using any other FS avoids this trap
> and many other issues.
>
> Richard
>

What would you reccomend?
That would attched itself nicely
to Win <=7, and Mac <=Leopard
out of the box (so to speak)

Without being expelled from College.
(we're talking Linux is evil incarnate territory)

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