Re: F35 Potential Bugs - Where/What to file against

2021-10-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 11:43:32AM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> > >   #2 - In F34 Gnome control center -> battery I could choose the
> > > laptops power profile (performance, balanced, powersave). This
> > > seems to
> > > be gone.
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power_Profiles_Daemon
> > > seems like its supposed to be supplying this, but systemd says the
> > > service is masked. Looks like it is masked by TLP. TLP has the
> > > benefit
> > > of being able to configure that setting between when on AC and when
> > > on
> > > BAT which is nice but I'm wondering is it a bug that I can no
> > > longer
> > > change that setting in gnome control panel? Is this expected
> > > behaviour?
> > 
> > One of the reasons to introduce power-profiles-daemon was the dbus
> > API
> > that gnome knows how to use. TLP and others do not provide the same
> > API. power-profiles-daemon.service conflicts with tlp.service,
> > probably
> > because they'd both try to set the same settings. So if you want
> > p-p-d.service, then make sure it is enabled and disable tlp.service.
> > 
> 
> Right, that's kinda what I'm wondering though. I may have originally
> installed tlp but don't recall. To be clearer about what I'm asking
> about is, if p-p-d is the new default (and using this laptop with F34
> had the options in control center). Why is p-p-d masked? Should it be?

Oh, I see. tlp masks various other services in its scriptlets [1].
I'd say that this is bad style, since a package should not just silently
disable a different package.

As a work-around, you can uninstall tlp.

[1] 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/tlp/c/4432f18ccc1e21f82afb18eefc11ebdbb2f5d033?branch=rawhide

Zbyszek
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Re: F35 Potential Bugs - Where/What to file against

2021-10-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 15:40 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Try pressing ctrl-alt-f8 to switch to a text console. If the text
> login
> appears, then the issue was most likely in the graphics stack. If
> still
> blank, try pressing ctrl-alt-del. On a text console this should
> result
> in a reboot. If it reboots, you should be able to see logs with
> 'journalctl -b-1'. If it doesn't respond to ctrl-alt-del, then it's a
> kernel driver issue. Further debugging is possible, but let's check
> the
> easy things first.

Yeah, I tried ctrl-alt-{f2, f1} but nothing like f8 so will try that
next time. I did manually tell the system to suspend twice and then
closed the lid and it successfully resumed when I opened the lid the
next time. However I'll see if f8 or rebooting works.

> 
> >   #2 - In F34 Gnome control center -> battery I could choose the
> > laptops power profile (performance, balanced, powersave). This
> > seems to
> > be gone.
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power_Profiles_Daemon
> > seems like its supposed to be supplying this, but systemd says the
> > service is masked. Looks like it is masked by TLP. TLP has the
> > benefit
> > of being able to configure that setting between when on AC and when
> > on
> > BAT which is nice but I'm wondering is it a bug that I can no
> > longer
> > change that setting in gnome control panel? Is this expected
> > behaviour?
> 
> One of the reasons to introduce power-profiles-daemon was the dbus
> API
> that gnome knows how to use. TLP and others do not provide the same
> API. power-profiles-daemon.service conflicts with tlp.service,
> probably
> because they'd both try to set the same settings. So if you want
> p-p-d.service, then make sure it is enabled and disable tlp.service.
> 

Right, that's kinda what I'm wondering though. I may have originally
installed tlp but don't recall. To be clearer about what I'm asking
about is, if p-p-d is the new default (and using this laptop with F34
had the options in control center). Why is p-p-d masked? Should it be?
how come the power options were available in gnome-control-center in
F34 when presumably both services existed there as well? Basically, it
was there in F34 and now its gone, but I'm told p-p-d is default in F35
so why did the option disappear and is it a bug?

-- 
Nathanael
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Re: F35 Potential Bugs - Where/What to file against

2021-10-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 09:21:57AM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>   I recently updated from F34 to F35 on an MSI laptop. I've noticed two
> 'regressions' and I'm not sure where to file bugs.
> 
>   #1 - The first one is if I close the lid and the device suspends (I
> assume as it used to do this fine), when I re-open the lid, the
> keyboard lights up, fans start, but the screen never turns on and I
> don't know if the device is running and the screen is blank or if its
> just not waking up. Is this a kernel/systemd bug? What steps/info is
> required to file a bug here?

Try pressing ctrl-alt-f8 to switch to a text console. If the text login
appears, then the issue was most likely in the graphics stack. If still
blank, try pressing ctrl-alt-del. On a text console this should result
in a reboot. If it reboots, you should be able to see logs with
'journalctl -b-1'. If it doesn't respond to ctrl-alt-del, then it's a
kernel driver issue. Further debugging is possible, but let's check the
easy things first.

>   #2 - In F34 Gnome control center -> battery I could choose the
> laptops power profile (performance, balanced, powersave). This seems to
> be gone. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power_Profiles_Daemon
> seems like its supposed to be supplying this, but systemd says the
> service is masked. Looks like it is masked by TLP. TLP has the benefit
> of being able to configure that setting between when on AC and when on
> BAT which is nice but I'm wondering is it a bug that I can no longer
> change that setting in gnome control panel? Is this expected behaviour?

One of the reasons to introduce power-profiles-daemon was the dbus API
that gnome knows how to use. TLP and others do not provide the same
API. power-profiles-daemon.service conflicts with tlp.service, probably
because they'd both try to set the same settings. So if you want
p-p-d.service, then make sure it is enabled and disable tlp.service.

> Otherwise the upgrade has gone well.

Great to hear that. I'd say that this cycle seems pretty smooth so far.

Zbyszek
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F35 Potential Bugs - Where/What to file against

2021-10-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
Hello,

  I recently updated from F34 to F35 on an MSI laptop. I've noticed two
'regressions' and I'm not sure where to file bugs.

  #1 - The first one is if I close the lid and the device suspends (I
assume as it used to do this fine), when I re-open the lid, the
keyboard lights up, fans start, but the screen never turns on and I
don't know if the device is running and the screen is blank or if its
just not waking up. Is this a kernel/systemd bug? What steps/info is
required to file a bug here?

  #2 - In F34 Gnome control center -> battery I could choose the
laptops power profile (performance, balanced, powersave). This seems to
be gone. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power_Profiles_Daemon
seems like its supposed to be supplying this, but systemd says the
service is masked. Looks like it is masked by TLP. TLP has the benefit
of being able to configure that setting between when on AC and when on
BAT which is nice but I'm wondering is it a bug that I can no longer
change that setting in gnome control panel? Is this expected behaviour?

Otherwise the upgrade has gone well.

Sincerely,
-- 
Nathanael
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