Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Dusty Mabe]

On 04/12/2017 10:49 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18:33AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Matthew Miller
>>>  wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI

 I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
 generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
 Objective. That basically means rename to
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
 council ticket. :)

>>>
>>> Why call this "Atomic CI"? Can't we call this something better that
>>> reflects that it would be beneficial for the entire distribution,
>>> rather than a small subset of Fedorans working in Project Atomic?
>>
>> The idea is to start with something that has a limited impact, I believe the
>> idea is to build up the pipeline in such a way that it can scale to the 
>> entire
>> distribution, but we need to start somewhere and Atomic Host is a 
>> deliverable in
>> itself and as a small set of packages making it easier to control and 
>> experiment
>> with.
>> Does that make sense?
>>
> 
> Sure, it does, but if this becomes an actual aspect of Fedora, as
> Matthew Miller wants (and it makes sense), then it makes little
> sense to call the thing Atomic CI. Instead CI for Atomic would
> be the first goal, but the overall aim is for the whole distribution.
> 

+1 - The overall effort should be called something more generic, where
the first stage is to implement for atomic host.

Dusty
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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:49:53AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > The idea is to start with something that has a limited impact, I
> > believe the idea is to build up the pipeline in such a way that it
> > can scale to the entire distribution, but we need to start
> > somewhere and Atomic Host is a deliverable in itself and as a small
> > set of packages making it easier to control and experiment with.
> > Does that make sense?
> Sure, it does, but if this becomes an actual aspect of Fedora, as
> Matthew Miller wants (and it makes sense), then it makes little
> sense to call the thing Atomic CI. Instead CI for Atomic would
> be the first goal, but the overall aim is for the whole distribution.

How about "Fedora CI: Fedora Atomic Host Prototype Phase"?

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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Neal Gompa]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon
 wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18:33AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Matthew Miller
>>  wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>> >> I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
>> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI
>> >
>> > I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
>> > generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
>> > Objective. That basically means rename to
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
>> > council ticket. :)
>> >
>>
>> Why call this "Atomic CI"? Can't we call this something better that
>> reflects that it would be beneficial for the entire distribution,
>> rather than a small subset of Fedorans working in Project Atomic?
>
> The idea is to start with something that has a limited impact, I believe the
> idea is to build up the pipeline in such a way that it can scale to the entire
> distribution, but we need to start somewhere and Atomic Host is a deliverable 
> in
> itself and as a small set of packages making it easier to control and 
> experiment
> with.
> Does that make sense?
>

Sure, it does, but if this becomes an actual aspect of Fedora, as
Matthew Miller wants (and it makes sense), then it makes little
sense to call the thing Atomic CI. Instead CI for Atomic would
be the first goal, but the overall aim is for the whole distribution.


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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:14:39AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI
> 
> I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
> generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
> Objective. That basically means rename to
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
> council ticket. :)

I guess we can do that :)


Pierre
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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18:33AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Matthew Miller
>  wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> >> I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI
> >
> > I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
> > generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
> > Objective. That basically means rename to
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
> > council ticket. :)
> >
> 
> Why call this "Atomic CI"? Can't we call this something better that
> reflects that it would be beneficial for the entire distribution,
> rather than a small subset of Fedorans working in Project Atomic?

The idea is to start with something that has a limited impact, I believe the
idea is to build up the pipeline in such a way that it can scale to the entire
distribution, but we need to start somewhere and Atomic Host is a deliverable in
itself and as a small set of packages making it easier to control and experiment
with.
Does that make sense?


Pierre
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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Neal Gompa]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Matthew Miller
 wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>> I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI
>
> I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
> generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
> Objective. That basically means rename to
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
> council ticket. :)
>

Why call this "Atomic CI"? Can't we call this something better that
reflects that it would be beneficial for the entire distribution,
rather than a small subset of Fedorans working in Project Atomic?



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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:37:47PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI

I'd actually like to escalate this from a Change proposal (which
generally fit into Fedora releases) to a Council-level project
Objective. That basically means rename to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objective/FedoraAtomicCI and file a
council ticket. :)

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Fedora Project Leader
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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 07:11:33AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon  
> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > A small team of people interested in working on a Continuous Integration has
> > started looking into what it would take to add Continous Integration (CI) 
> > to our
> > current packaging and releasing workflow.
> > The current idea is to use fedora-atomic as a prototype product to port into
> > this workflow while keeping in mind other use-cases so that we could 
> > eventually
> > use this approach for the entire distribution (as opt-in).
> >
> > Since there might be more people interested than the people who expressed 
> > their
> > interest, I invite anyone interested to join the mailing list:
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/c...@lists.fedoraproject.org/
> 
> I get an error 500 for this URL; and then when searching it doesn't
> show up unless I uncheck "Hide inactive"

I suspect this is because there has not been any email sent on the list yet.

Maybe try:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/ci.lists.fedoraproject.org/


Pierre
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Re: Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Chris Murphy]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> A small team of people interested in working on a Continuous Integration has
> started looking into what it would take to add Continous Integration (CI) to 
> our
> current packaging and releasing workflow.
> The current idea is to use fedora-atomic as a prototype product to port into
> this workflow while keeping in mind other use-cases so that we could 
> eventually
> use this approach for the entire distribution (as opt-in).
>
> Since there might be more people interested than the people who expressed 
> their
> interest, I invite anyone interested to join the mailing list:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/c...@lists.fedoraproject.org/

I get an error 500 for this URL; and then when searching it doesn't
show up unless I uncheck "Hide inactive"



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Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

Dear all,

A small team of people interested in working on a Continuous Integration has
started looking into what it would take to add Continous Integration (CI) to our
current packaging and releasing workflow.
The current idea is to use fedora-atomic as a prototype product to port into
this workflow while keeping in mind other use-cases so that we could eventually
use this approach for the entire distribution (as opt-in).

Since there might be more people interested than the people who expressed their
interest, I invite anyone interested to join the mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/c...@lists.fedoraproject.org/
and/or the IRC channel: #fedora-ci on irc.freenode.net

We're working to start this with as few changes to the current Fedora
infrastructure as possible. And with a very specific set of requirements.

Ultimately, I hope we can make this workflow work for not only fedora-atomic
(though it is the current target) and this should help improving the stability
of rawhide (and thus will also help the no-more-alpha change proposal [1]).

I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI


Thanks for your attention and welcome aboard,
Pierre


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
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Fedora CI effort/Interest Group

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

Dear all,

A small team of people interested in working on a Continuous Integration has
started looking into what it would take to add Continous Integration (CI) to our
current packaging and releasing workflow.
The current idea is to use fedora-atomic as a prototype product to port into
this workflow while keeping in mind other use-cases so that we could eventually
use this approach for the entire distribution (as opt-in).

Since there might be more people interested than the people who expressed their
interest, I invite anyone interested to join the mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/c...@lists.fedoraproject.org/
and/or the IRC channel: #fedora-ci on irc.freenode.net

We're working to start this with as few changes to the current Fedora
infrastructure as possible. And with a very specific set of requirements.

Ultimately, I hope we can make this workflow work for not only fedora-atomic
(though it is the current target) and this should help improving the stability
of rawhide (and thus will also help the no-more-alpha change proposal [1]).

I have put together a wiki page making this a change proposal:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraAtomicCI


Thanks for your attention and welcome aboard,
Pierre


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
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