How do changes to the FHS happen ? [was Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?]

2011-03-30 Thread David Lutterkort
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 09:30 -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 
  There are many directories already in Fedora that are not 
  defined by FHS and even though we have asked them to update 
  it (libexec, /selinux /sys etc), there is noone maintaining 
  it.
 
 This is stunningly untrue.  I've worked for years in the 
 fields of LSB, FHS and LANANA to make sure there are traceable 
 paths for such requests.  Post the URLs to your bugs in the 
 LSB / LF tracker if you assert you have done such

How do changes to the FHS actually happen ? All I can find is the names
of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems
to be overrun by spam.

There doesn't seem to be any body/group that meets regularly to resolve
issues and work towards an FHS update.

Maybe it is time to set up such a group, e.g., by letting each distro
put one representative forward that will discuss and vote on FHS changes
on that distro's behalf. I think the group that Lennart worked with is a
very encouraging sign that something like this is possible.

David


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Re: How do changes to the FHS happen ? [was Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?]

2011-03-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:41 PM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote:

 How do changes to the FHS actually happen ? All I can find is the names
 of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems
 to be overrun by spam.

 There doesn't seem to be any body/group that meets regularly to resolve
 issues and work towards an FHS update.

 Maybe it is time to set up such a group, e.g., by letting each distro
 put one representative forward that will discuss and vote on FHS changes
 on that distro's behalf. I think the group that Lennart worked with is a
 very encouraging sign that something like this is possible.

Just for completeness can I ask if the current info at
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/s1-filesystem-fhs.html
and
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/

are in fact the latest?  If not can someone point to the source of the
most current version of the info?

Thanks
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Re: How do changes to the FHS happen ? [was Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?]

2011-03-30 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
David Lutterkort wrote:

 How do changes to the FHS actually happen ?

see: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6704952

 All I can find is the names
 of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems
 to be overrun by spam.

Someone should ask matti or davem to setup a new ml on vger.

 Maybe it is time to set up such a group, e.g., by letting each distro
 put one representative forward that will discuss and vote on FHS changes
 on that distro's behalf. I think the group that Lennart worked with is a
 very encouraging sign that something like this is possible.

Distributions, and others companies interested in LiNUX/*BSD/UN*X.
FHS is not only for LiNUX.

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Re: How do changes to the FHS happen ? [was Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?]

2011-03-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 30.03.11 12:41, David Lutterkort (lut...@redhat.com) wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 09:30 -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
  On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
  
   There are many directories already in Fedora that are not 
   defined by FHS and even though we have asked them to update 
   it (libexec, /selinux /sys etc), there is noone maintaining 
   it.
  
  This is stunningly untrue.  I've worked for years in the 
  fields of LSB, FHS and LANANA to make sure there are traceable 
  paths for such requests.  Post the URLs to your bugs in the 
  LSB / LF tracker if you assert you have done such
 
 How do changes to the FHS actually happen ? All I can find is the names
 of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems
 to be overrun by spam.
 
 There doesn't seem to be any body/group that meets regularly to resolve
 issues and work towards an FHS update.

I wonder if the LSB folks feel responsible for this. Not that I was a
big fan of the LSB work (making up standards out of thin air and
stuff), but there's at least somebody commited to standards.

Lennart

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