Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 21:11 -0700, Jeremiah Summers wrote: > I would say thank you but the tone I'm getting in the email seems > rather reluctant to try and be as memory efficient as possible, a > little bit like "we just did it to stop your whining". I'm sure that's > not the tone you mean and even if so I'm sure you're not talking "for" > the anaconda team. Yes, both of those are true. I just get a bit irked that the issue keeps getting raised as if it's some stunning new discovery and the anaconda team has been hideously lax in not caring about it, because it's well-known and they _do_ care about it. =) > So regardless.. Thank You all who have beaten this > thing to death and those who won't let it die until it's as efficient > as possible with the hardware given. seconded! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 22:02 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: >> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: >> >> >> >> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. >> > >> > That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs >> > from /tmp/*log >> > >> > Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being >> > installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of >> > this, causing a large spike as it is installed. >> >> "SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built >> policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been >> made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the >> package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to >> 6M. In addition to that," [1] >> >> >> 1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html > > Yes. The reason why that work has been done is because everyone kicked > up a stink about anaconda using too much memory, so the anaconda team > looked closer into what was taking up so much memory, found out selinux > policy installation caused quite a significant chunk of it, and told Dan > about it. None of this is news to anyone actually involved in the > relevant development teams =) > > this topic has really been done to death on this list and many others. > anaconda team is aware of the memory use issue and is working on fixing > it. this selinux change is one of the fixes. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora > http://www.happyassassin.net > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > I would say thank you but the tone I'm getting in the email seems rather reluctant to try and be as memory efficient as possible, a little bit like "we just did it to stop your whining". I'm sure that's not the tone you mean and even if so I'm sure you're not talking "for" the anaconda team. So regardless.. Thank You all who have beaten this thing to death and those who won't let it die until it's as efficient as possible with the hardware given. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 22:02 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: > >> > >> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. > > > > That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs > > from /tmp/*log > > > > Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being > > installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of > > this, causing a large spike as it is installed. > > "SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built > policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been > made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the > package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to > 6M. In addition to that," [1] > > > 1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html Yes. The reason why that work has been done is because everyone kicked up a stink about anaconda using too much memory, so the anaconda team looked closer into what was taking up so much memory, found out selinux policy installation caused quite a significant chunk of it, and told Dan about it. None of this is news to anyone actually involved in the relevant development teams =) this topic has really been done to death on this list and many others. anaconda team is aware of the memory use issue and is working on fixing it. this selinux change is one of the fixes. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: >> >> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. > > That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs > from /tmp/*log > > Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being > installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of > this, causing a large spike as it is installed. "SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to 6M. In addition to that," [1] 1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: > > In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs from /tmp/*log Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of this, causing a large spike as it is installed. -- Brian C. Lane | Anaconda Team | IRC: bcl #anaconda | Port Orchard, WA (PST8PDT) pgpoyQZKJeKRg.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 06:47:37PM -0500, David Lehman wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 23:13 -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: >> > I have tried installing Fedora 16 alpha (i386 version) on VMWare player >> > and it dies starting up the installer. >> > >> > It also dies trying to install on my CTL 2GO pad. (Atom based tablet.) >> >> Same type of death as the vmware? >> >> > >> > Any ideas why? >> >> If you have less than 768M of memory you could have problems unpacking >> the initrd and/or starting the installer. > > 768 MB!!! > > When I want to stuff as many VMs onto a virtual machine as possible, > RAM usage really matters.  Particularly since RAM is currently cheap > up to about 8 GB but becomes much more expensive above that OT: This does not seem to be the case ... I can buy 24GB for almost the same amount (~120€) I bought 6GB 3 years ago ... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 06:47:37PM -0500, David Lehman wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 23:13 -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: >> > I have tried installing Fedora 16 alpha (i386 version) on VMWare >> player >> > and it dies starting up the installer. >> > >> > It also dies trying to install on my CTL 2GO pad. (Atom based tablet.) >> >> Same type of death as the vmware? >> >> > >> > Any ideas why? >> >> If you have less than 768M of memory you could have problems unpacking >> the initrd and/or starting the installer. > > 768 MB!!! > > When I want to stuff as many VMs onto a virtual machine as possible, > RAM usage really matters. Particularly since RAM is currently cheap > up to about 8 GB but becomes much more expensive above that (ie. up to > about 6 VMs with all the overhead). > > I can still run Debian VMs in 128 MB and do useful stuff with them > like light dynamic web serving. In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 06:47:37PM -0500, David Lehman wrote: > On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 23:13 -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: > > I have tried installing Fedora 16 alpha (i386 version) on VMWare player > > and it dies starting up the installer. > > > > It also dies trying to install on my CTL 2GO pad. (Atom based tablet.) > > Same type of death as the vmware? > > > > > Any ideas why? > > If you have less than 768M of memory you could have problems unpacking > the initrd and/or starting the installer. 768 MB!!! When I want to stuff as many VMs onto a virtual machine as possible, RAM usage really matters. Particularly since RAM is currently cheap up to about 8 GB but becomes much more expensive above that (ie. up to about 6 VMs with all the overhead). I can still run Debian VMs in 128 MB and do useful stuff with them like light dynamic web serving. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk stats, logging, etc. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-top -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
