Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
- Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:33 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Are you saying that Netbinox builds with equinox downloaded from eclipse.org but not with the one from our rpms? Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:39:06 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:33 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Are you saying that Netbinox builds with equinox downloaded from eclipse.org but not with the one from our rpms? With version, i meant release version of Equinox, not the eclipse.com version vs. Packaged version of Fedora. The problem is, that Netbinox is intended to be built with Equinox 3.8.0, but Fedora ships Equinox 3.9.0, which causes complication errors. One problem is for example, that the constructor of org.eclipse.osgi.baseadaptor.bundlefile.DirBundleFile takes different arguments in Equinox 3.8.0 and 3.9.0. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
- Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:40:25 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:39:06 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:33 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Are you saying that Netbinox builds with equinox downloaded from eclipse.org but not with the one from our rpms? With version, i meant release version of Equinox, not the eclipse.com version vs. Packaged version of Fedora. The problem is, that Netbinox is intended to be built with Equinox 3.8.0, but Fedora ships Equinox 3.9.0, which causes complication errors. This is something that must be handled at Netbinox site, Fedora project aims at shipping latest versions of software so Netbinox need to be fixed to compile/work with Equinox 3.9. Not to mention that Equinox 3.8 is no longer supported upstream so shipping it makes no sense. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team One problem is for example, that the constructor of org.eclipse.osgi.baseadaptor.bundlefile.DirBundleFile takes different arguments in Equinox 3.8.0 and 3.9.0. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:58:48 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:40:25 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:39:06 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:33 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Are you saying that Netbinox builds with equinox downloaded from eclipse.org but not with the one from our rpms? With version, i meant release version of Equinox, not the eclipse.com version vs. Packaged version of Fedora. The problem is, that Netbinox is intended to be built with Equinox 3.8.0, but Fedora ships Equinox 3.9.0, which causes complication errors. This is something that must be handled at Netbinox site, Fedora project aims at shipping latest versions of software so Netbinox need to be fixed to compile/work with Equinox 3.9. Not to mention that Equinox 3.8 is no longer supported upstream so shipping it makes no sense. So in that situation the way a packager handles that situation is to tell upstream (NetBeans in that case) to fix the incompatibility? I just chose the way to fix it myself, since the previous maintainer of the netbeans packages also did it that way and I just adopted the spec files. The point with NetBeans is, that it does not only concern Equinox, but also some other libraries, which are shipped by Fedora in newer versions than NetBeans requires them. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team One problem is for example, that the constructor of org.eclipse.osgi.baseadaptor.bundlefile.DirBundleFile takes different arguments in Equinox 3.8.0 and 3.9.0. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
- Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:33:40 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:58:48 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:40:25 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:39:06 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:50:33 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:46:51 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. The problem was not with Equinox per se, but with the version shipped with Fedora. I needed to write some patches to be able to build NetBeans against the newest version of Equinox. The component which needs the patch is Netbinox. Are you saying that Netbinox builds with equinox downloaded from eclipse.org but not with the one from our rpms? With version, i meant release version of Equinox, not the eclipse.com version vs. Packaged version of Fedora. The problem is, that Netbinox is intended to be built with Equinox 3.8.0, but Fedora ships Equinox 3.9.0, which causes complication errors. This is something that must be handled at Netbinox site, Fedora project aims at shipping latest versions of software so Netbinox need to be fixed to compile/work with Equinox 3.9. Not to mention that Equinox 3.8 is no longer supported upstream so shipping it makes no sense. So in that situation the way a packager handles that situation is to tell upstream (NetBeans in that case) to fix the incompatibility? I just chose the way to fix it myself, since the previous maintainer of the netbeans packages also did it that way and I just adopted the spec files. Both, the mission of Fedora is to advance the whole ecosystem, as such it's hard for many upstreams to keep pace that's why Fedora maintainers fix incompatibilities with newer version and sends the patch upstream for inclusion in order to ease packaging in the future. See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects which contains this information in detailed form. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team The point with NetBeans is, that it does not only concern Equinox, but also some other libraries, which are shipped by Fedora in newer versions than NetBeans requires them. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team One problem is for example, that the constructor of org.eclipse.osgi.baseadaptor.bundlefile.DirBundleFile takes different arguments in Equinox 3.8.0 and 3.9.0. Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
Manuel Faux wrote: Thanks, the current eclipse-equinox-osgi package works as OGSi 5 dependency, but unfortunately it does NOT work as OSGi 4 dependency. Building fails with some Java errors when I use the current equinox package (which provides org.eclipse.osgi_3.9.1.v20131014-1715.jar). Does eclipse-equinox-osgi need separate builds or even versions for OSGi 4 and 5? (I ask because this appears to be the case for Knopflerfish according to its site. http://www.eclipse.org/equinox/ doesn't mention OSGi 5 at all.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
- Original Message - From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:46:40 AM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation Manuel Faux wrote: Thanks, the current eclipse-equinox-osgi package works as OGSi 5 dependency, but unfortunately it does NOT work as OSGi 4 dependency. Building fails with some Java errors when I use the current equinox package (which provides org.eclipse.osgi_3.9.1.v20131014-1715.jar). Does eclipse-equinox-osgi need separate builds or even versions for OSGi 4 and 5? (I ask because this appears to be the case for Knopflerfish according to its site. http://www.eclipse.org/equinox/ doesn't mention OSGi 5 at all.) No, it is OSGi 5 by default. What you see on this page is pure leftover from the past, I opened a bug about it [1]. On another page http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/rt.equinox it's correctly written as OSGi 5. [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=421887 Alexander Kurtakov Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
- Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:08:53 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:45:07 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I join late to the discussion but Equinox is the reference implementation for OSGi R5. What are the problems trying to use eclipse-equinox ? Thanks, the current eclipse-equinox-osgi package works as OGSi 5 dependency, but unfortunately it does NOT work as OSGi 4 dependency. Building fails with some Java errors when I use the current equinox package (which provides org.eclipse.osgi_3.9.1.v20131014-1715.jar). Equinox is R5 implementation and new major version always introduce incompatibilities so this is not surprising at all. It might be worth the effort to port to R5. I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Is this still true? I know that jtulach(one of the netbeans guys) has his own equinox(like?) framework called Netbinox for usage in netbeans so you might want to get in contact with him for details. I haven't followed Netbeans in years but if you point to concrete problem I'll take a look. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Manuel http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/rt.equinox Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:31:31 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:02:07 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 11:35, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part the only build dep required for build this framework is objectweb-asm 3.x (the rest of the build deps are listed as comment in my spec file https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472) before do this assertion should be require to know what you are talking about... My bad, the build.xml [2] of the Knopflerfish 5.0.0 framework mentions ee.minimum.jar, even it is not necessarily required (only as an extension for JDK 7). but i think i don't want upgrade K to 5.0.0 (OSGi R5 ri/apis, already built on my system), the previous release are requires for build an use some https://github.com/ops4j/ libraries (R4 and R5 are not compatible) i apologized if my comment seem a bit hard regards I think in this case a package of the framework would be sufficient, since it has only a few dependencies. Any complaints about this? depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel [2] https://www.knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/tags/5.0.0/osgi/framework/build.xml Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar -- Mikolaj Izdebski IRC: mizdebsk PS. For Java-related topics you can post to java-devel instead. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards attachment: puntogil.vcf-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On 11/11/2013 11:07 AM, punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar That's possible. I didn't go into details. -- Mikolaj Izdebski IRC: mizdebsk -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
Il 11/11/2013 11:35, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part the only build dep required for build this framework is objectweb-asm 3.x (the rest of the build deps are listed as comment in my spec file https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472) before do this assertion should be require to know what you are talking about... but i think i don't want upgrade K to 5.0.0 (OSGi R5 ri/apis, already built on my system), the previous release are requires for build an use some https://github.com/ops4j/ libraries (R4 and R5 are not compatible) i apologized if my comment seem a bit hard regards depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel attachment: puntogil.vcf-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:02:07 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 11:35, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part the only build dep required for build this framework is objectweb-asm 3.x (the rest of the build deps are listed as comment in my spec file https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472) before do this assertion should be require to know what you are talking about... My bad, the build.xml [2] of the Knopflerfish 5.0.0 framework mentions ee.minimum.jar, even it is not necessarily required (only as an extension for JDK 7). but i think i don't want upgrade K to 5.0.0 (OSGi R5 ri/apis, already built on my system), the previous release are requires for build an use some https://github.com/ops4j/ libraries (R4 and R5 are not compatible) i apologized if my comment seem a bit hard regards I think in this case a package of the framework would be sufficient, since it has only a few dependencies. Any complaints about this? depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel [2] https://www.knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/tags/5.0.0/osgi/framework/build.xml Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
I join late to the discussion but Equinox is the reference implementation for OSGi R5. What are the problems trying to use eclipse-equinox ? http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/rt.equinox Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:31:31 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:02:07 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 11:35, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part the only build dep required for build this framework is objectweb-asm 3.x (the rest of the build deps are listed as comment in my spec file https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472) before do this assertion should be require to know what you are talking about... My bad, the build.xml [2] of the Knopflerfish 5.0.0 framework mentions ee.minimum.jar, even it is not necessarily required (only as an extension for JDK 7). but i think i don't want upgrade K to 5.0.0 (OSGi R5 ri/apis, already built on my system), the previous release are requires for build an use some https://github.com/ops4j/ libraries (R4 and R5 are not compatible) i apologized if my comment seem a bit hard regards I think in this case a package of the framework would be sufficient, since it has only a few dependencies. Any complaints about this? depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel [2] https://www.knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/tags/5.0.0/osgi/framework/build.xml Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:45:07 -0500 Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: I join late to the discussion but Equinox is the reference implementation for OSGi R5. What are the problems trying to use eclipse-equinox ? Thanks, the current eclipse-equinox-osgi package works as OGSi 5 dependency, but unfortunately it does NOT work as OSGi 4 dependency. Building fails with some Java errors when I use the current equinox package (which provides org.eclipse.osgi_3.9.1.v20131014-1715.jar). I didn't see that Equinox satisfies the OSGi 5 part, since I didn't use this package anymore, as soon I recognized that NetBeans does not build with it. Manuel http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/rt.equinox Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - From: Manuel Faux manuel.f...@conf.at To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:31:31 PM Subject: Re: OSGi 5 Implementation On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:02:07 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 11:35, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:07:55 +0100 punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote: Il 11/11/2013 10:53, Mikolaj Izdebski ha scritto: On 11/09/2013 03:25 PM, Manuel Faux wrote: I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). This license is clearly non-free. The strange thing is, that the pre-download information (the link above) shows a quite restrictive license, but when you actually download the file, the LICENSE file in the jar file mentions Apache License 2.0. Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). Not that I know. I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Knopflerfish depends on code from OSGi Alliance [1], so if that code is non-free then packaging Knopflerfish itself won't solve the problem. the main knopflerfish module no, maybe other sub-modules, depend on ee.minimum.jar I'm not so deep into OSGi frameworks, but basically we just need the framework, not even the complete service platform. To build this framework, the ee.minimum.jar is required. Is this the critical part the only build dep required for build this framework is objectweb-asm 3.x (the rest of the build deps are listed as comment in my spec file https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472) before do this assertion should be require to know what you are talking about... My bad, the build.xml [2] of the Knopflerfish 5.0.0 framework mentions ee.minimum.jar, even it is not necessarily required (only as an extension for JDK 7). but i think i don't want upgrade K to 5.0.0 (OSGi R5 ri/apis, already built on my system), the previous release are requires for build an use some https://github.com/ops4j/ libraries (R4 and R5 are not compatible) i apologized if my comment seem a bit hard regards I think in this case a package of the framework would be sufficient, since it has only a few dependencies. Any complaints about this? depending on OSGi Alliance licensed code? If yes, how is it ever possible to get an OSGi 5 framework into a FOSS product? [1] https://knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/trunk/osgi/ee/ee.minimum.jar regards Manuel [2] https://www.knopflerfish.org/svn/knopflerfish.org/tags/5.0.0/osgi/framework/build.xml Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
OSGi 5 Implementation
I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks). Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix). I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD license, which would be compatible to Fedora (http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B. Manuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
Il 09/11/2013 15:25, Manuel Faux ha scritto:
I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an OSGi 5
specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's
specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far as I
know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks).
Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can use
for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support OSGi 4
(Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix).
try with eclipse-equinox-osgi package
pushd libs.osgi/external
%lnSys %{_javadir}/eclipse/osgi.jar osgi.core-4.3.jar
%lnSys %{_javadir}/eclipse/osgi.services.jar osgi.cmpn-4.2.jar
popd
I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD
license, which would be compatible to Fedora
(http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not yet
exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a plan B.
see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472 (should be updated)
Manuel
regards
gil
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Re: OSGi 5 Implementation
On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 23:04:17 +0100
punto...@libero.it punto...@libero.it wrote:
Il 09/11/2013 15:25, Manuel Faux ha scritto:
I'm trying to build NetBeans 7.4 under Fedora, which requires an
OSGi 5 specification. NetBeans originally ships the OSGi Alliance's
specification, whose license is not compatible with Fedora, as far
as I know (http://www.osgi.org/Download/Release5?info=nothanks).
Is there any OSGi 5 implementation already in Fedora's repos I can
use for that purpose? All packages I checked so far only support
OSGi 4 (Eclipse Equinox, JBoss OSGi, Apache Felix).
try with eclipse-equinox-osgi package
pushd libs.osgi/external
%lnSys %{_javadir}/eclipse/osgi.jar osgi.core-4.3.jar
%lnSys %{_javadir}/eclipse/osgi.services.jar osgi.cmpn-4.2.jar
popd
Unfortunately Equinox only support OSGi 4, NB 7.4 requires Eclipse
Equinox for OSGi 4 and also an OSGi 5 implementation.
I found Knopflerfish, which is a OSGi 5 platform licensed under BSD
license, which would be compatible to Fedora
(http://www.knopflerfish.org/). Unfortunately this package does not
yet exist for Fedora. Building this package, would be kind of a
plan B.
see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874472 (should be
updated)
I saw this already, but I would like to avoid having another
dependency, for NB, if there would be an existing OGSi 5 package,
therefor just plan B.
Manuel
regards
gil
Manuel
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