Previous awesome background images

[Miro Hrončok]

On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder if we 
could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are some of 
my favorite ones:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7

Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding. Can we 
do more of those, please?


I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.

"As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the alphabet and 
come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to serve as 
an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"


https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/

I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning 
for stopping that.)


(I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in what was 
in there.)


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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Máirín Duffy]

> On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> 
> I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning 
> for stopping that.)

That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was 
Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the 
inspiration.

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Re: Previous awesome background images

[James Cassell]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> > 
> > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the 
> > reasoning 
> > for stopping that.)
> 
> That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F 
> was Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll 
> fimd the inspiration.
> 

OMG, Secret Fedora Release Names!

Did not realize it was a thing. Very cool!

V/r,
James Cassell
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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Miro Hrončok]

On 20. 04. 20 18:46, Máirín Duffy wrote:

On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/

I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning
for stopping that.)


That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was 
Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the 
inspiration.


Cool! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Brandon Nielsen]

On 4/20/20 11:54 AM, James Cassell wrote:


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:

On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/

I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning
for stopping that.)


That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F
was Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll
fimd the inspiration.



OMG, Secret Fedora Release Names!

Did not realize it was a thing. Very cool!

V/r,
James Cassell


Huh, I didn't realize that either.

As for the original intent of this thread, I always loved the wallpaper 
from F15. I still have the SVG in my regular wallpaper rotation.

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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM Máirín Duffy  wrote:
>
> > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> >
> > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the 
> > reasoning
> > for stopping that.)
>
> That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was 
> Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the 
> inspiration.
>

Why don't we just use these for codenames?



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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Chris Murphy]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:46 AM Máirín Duffy  wrote:
>
> > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> >
> > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the 
> > reasoning
> > for stopping that.)
>
> That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was 
> Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the 
> inspiration.

Everyone's an art critic.

I spent some effort building a technical mindset, dispensing with
aesthetic, in my line of work in color management and color science.
"There is no such thing as bad colors" and "art isn't my thing, all I
care about is accuracy" and so on. And then I taught a masters level
class in photography at the School of Visual Arts - where I had to
become a critic, at a technical level. The class was 'color management
and printing'. I learned at least as much as I taught. One of the
early assignments, which I actually didn't figure out for the first
year, was to go look at art. Why are the successes considered
successful? Yeah you can read about that to some degree, but you
really have to look at it, and mimic it. You only really understand by
trying to replicate those successes. And you pretty much have to do
what others have done before you, because they're that successful and
basic, and then you can innovate and incorporate your own style.

I'm no art history amateur let alone expert, so I don't know all the
reasons why it's familiar. But I see the intentional use of different
kinds of dithering as art. These techniques have a long history in
both analog and digital image reproduction. I see the traditional AM
halftoning from various print forms, found in newspapers, magazines,
comic books, packaging, and it exists for its tolerance to the
mechanical limitations of those processes. The apparent stochastic (FM
screening) also leverages noise as the dithering approach, resulting
in the "crushed glass" kind of look, especially in the dark to light
gradients. I think it's a successful blending of these class dithering
techniques that you don't find on pixel displays. But to good effect,
in particular on crap low bit depth panels where smooth gradients of
short distance readily will show posterization where none exists in
the digital file. The noise masks the limitations of the panel. That's
the whole point of dithering. I think it's fantastic.

I have the benefit of looking at the background on a crap laptop
display as well as a rather nice NEC self-calibrating display suitable
for medical imaging. And this background looks good to me on both
displays. That's non-trivial to achieve, there are always compromises.
It's not really possible to make smooth gradients of short distances
on low end panels, of course some noise is necessary.

The negatives come from people used to a particular aesthetic, and
just don't realize what they're looking at. And 20 years ago I'd put
myself into that category. Maybe the F32 background art is too
sophisticated. But then I immediately have to refuse that premise
because I think Fedora deserves the sophisticated, and that it's
better to just consider the negative comments innocently ignorant.
Folks just don't know what they're looking at.

Anyway, I'm totally guessing. I have no actual insight to the
development process of the F32 default background. It'd be interesting
to read about the inspiration, process, and iterations involved in
combining the aesthetic and the technical. I think people would be
surprised to discover the things they don't like about it are perhaps
more tied to technical decisions that were then taken advantage of by
the chosen aesthetic.

Also, classic art: evoking an emotional response in the viewer. :-D In
this sense, the art is perhaps one of Fedora's most successful!


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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Mohan Boddu]

My personal favorite is Fedora 26

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26

I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
reflection it on the lake is just *serene*.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder 
> > if we
> > could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are some 
> > of
> > my favorite ones:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
> >
> > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding. Can 
> > we
> > do more of those, please?
>
> I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.
>
> "As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the alphabet and
> come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to serve as
> an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"
>
> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>
> I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning
> for stopping that.)
>
> (I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in what 
> was
> in there.)
>
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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Miro Hrončok]

On 22. 04. 20 16:40, Mohan Boddu wrote:

My personal favorite is Fedora 26

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26

I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
reflection it on the lake is just*serene*.


I love that one, especially the "hidden gem": it is a visual representation of 
the sound of saying "Fedora".


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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Leigh Griffin]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 3:41 PM Mohan Boddu  wrote:

> My personal favorite is Fedora 26
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26
>
> I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
> reflection it on the lake is just *serene*.
>

Great share on this, adding that to my wallpaper list and some of the other
nice ones shared, great trips down memory lane!

>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
> >
> > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I
> wonder if we
> > > could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are
> some of
> > > my favorite ones:
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
> > >
> > > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was
> outstanding. Can we
> > > do more of those, please?
> >
> > I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.
> >
> > "As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the
> alphabet and
> > come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to
> serve as
> > an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"
> >
> >
> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> >
> > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning
> > for stopping that.)
> >
> > (I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in
> what was
> > in there.)
> >
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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Kevin Kofler]

Chris Murphy wrote:
> I have the benefit of looking at the background on a crap laptop
> display as well as a rather nice NEC self-calibrating display suitable
> for medical imaging. And this background looks good to me on both
> displays. That's non-trivial to achieve, there are always compromises.
> It's not really possible to make smooth gradients of short distances
> on low end panels, of course some noise is necessary.

So in short, you are saying that this artwork is great because it looks good 
on some 16-color or 256-color display, which it achieves by looking like a 
256-color display on ALL displays? Seriously?

Kevin Kofler
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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Kevin Kofler]

Mohan Boddu wrote:
> My personal favorite is Fedora 26
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26
> 
> I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
> reflection it on the lake is just *serene*.

I think that one is artistically beautiful, but the deep winter feeling that 
it gives is depressing.

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Re: Previous awesome background images

[Jeremy Linton]

Hi,

On 4/17/20 4:43 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I 
wonder if we could go back to more artistic images from previous 
releases? Here are some of my favorite ones:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7

Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was 
outstanding. Can we do more of those, please?


I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.

"As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the 
alphabet and come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / 
technologists to serve as an inspiration for the desktop background’s 
visual concept"


https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/

I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the 
reasoning for stopping that.)


(I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in 
what was in there.)




(agree)

IMHO, A desktop background serves a different purpose than a login/lock 
screen. A desktop background shouldn't be distracting, high contrast, or 
busy. Making beautiful art with those restrictions is quite difficult. 
The fedora backgrounds tend to grow on me over time, but I also tend to 
immediately just set my desktop background to straight black, with a 
dark theme (breeze dark variation) and reserve the fedora art for the 
screen lock.


The login/lock screen, should be looking for maximum impact. Its after 
all what people see as they walk by a fedora machine. In that regard 
something like the F7 image really wins.


So maybe this is a case of trying to answer to conflicting requirements. 
Maximum art, high contrast login screen, more soothing muted desktop 
backgrounds.



Anyway, i'm going to spread some love to another distro in this thread 
too. The Opensuse 12.3 theme/background was one of the few times I've 
left the default background on for any length of time. They seemed to 
have pulled off just the right amount of mostly non distracting 
background, yet somehow managed to still achieve that minimalist beauty 
everyone seems to be in search of these days. Its all gray tones, with a 
single green vine/logo. It fit with the theme in a way that made me 
think, now this is what a linux desktop should look and behave like.


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