Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 06:19:39PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > There hasn't been FTBFS bug reports since Matt stopped doing them due > to lack of time, the maintainer would have got failed builds for the > mass rebuild and should have investigated as part of "maintaining" the > package. Is this official? Then it should be announced and mentioned in the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fails_to_build_from_source From what I understand from this thread and the wiki, it does not all fit, because there is for example a F16FTBFS tracker bug, therefore a bug for aircrack-ng should have existed. Nevertheless, missing one mail can easily happen, especially when one was not regularly online at the time of the mass rebuild. Therefore I still think it should be mandatory to first file a bug before a package is removed due to FTBFS issues. And as long as it is possible to create a list of affected packages to remove them, it is only little harder to report bugs for them first. Something like this would work: for package in $(cat packages.txt); do bugzilla new --component $package --product Fedora --version RAWHIDE --summary "$package fails to build from source "--comment "$package fails to build from source. Please fix this, otherwise the package is going to be removed on 2012-04-01. See http://example.com/ for more information" Btw. I just re-built aircrack-ng. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
Peter Robinson writes: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> If there aren't FTBFS bug reports in the future, that's going to make >> doing FTBFS-blocking tricky. Did you generate your list merely from >> "things with older dist tags, so they obviously didn't rebuild", or from >> some more canonical source? > Things with older dist tags that I then cross checked because they > were also not building on ARM. Most of them were ftbfs in both the > F-15 and F-17 mass rebuilds, some even in the F-12 mass rebuild! Matt > stepped down from his ftbfs some time ago and I've never seen anything > done about it since. I thought all along that that was something that should be done officially, using project resources, rather than having some volunteer do it on personal resources. Now it's time to make that happen. Could we schedule some sort of permanent round-robin FTBFS checks using idle buildfarm members? regards, tom lane -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: >> > At least for aircrack-ng from your list no FTBFS bug has been filed, >> > therefore I do not see any reason to remove it from Fedora. And in case >> > it really does not build, I expect a bug report. >> >> There hasn't been FTBFS bug reports since Matt stopped doing them due >> to lack of time, the maintainer would have got failed builds for the >> mass rebuild and should have investigated as part of "maintaining" the >> package. > > If there aren't FTBFS bug reports in the future, that's going to make > doing FTBFS-blocking tricky. Did you generate your list merely from > "things with older dist tags, so they obviously didn't rebuild", or from > some more canonical source? Things with older dist tags that I then cross checked because they were also not building on ARM. Most of them were ftbfs in both the F-15 and F-17 mass rebuilds, some even in the F-12 mass rebuild! Matt stepped down from his ftbfs some time ago and I've never seen anything done about it since. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > > At least for aircrack-ng from your list no FTBFS bug has been filed, > > therefore I do not see any reason to remove it from Fedora. And in case > > it really does not build, I expect a bug report. > > There hasn't been FTBFS bug reports since Matt stopped doing them due > to lack of time, the maintainer would have got failed builds for the > mass rebuild and should have investigated as part of "maintaining" the > package. If there aren't FTBFS bug reports in the future, that's going to make doing FTBFS-blocking tricky. Did you generate your list merely from "things with older dist tags, so they obviously didn't rebuild", or from some more canonical source? Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 06:36:23PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: >> >> It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie >> >> not had a successful build in F-15 or later) >> > >> > It's done off the F15FTBFS bug. If these don't have bugs blocking that, >> > they won't get picked up. >> >> Right, I did that from koji, not sure how the ftbfs bug was done. > > At least for aircrack-ng from your list no FTBFS bug has been filed, > therefore I do not see any reason to remove it from Fedora. And in case > it really does not build, I expect a bug report. There hasn't been FTBFS bug reports since Matt stopped doing them due to lack of time, the maintainer would have got failed builds for the mass rebuild and should have investigated as part of "maintaining" the package. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 06:36:23PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > >> It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie > >> not had a successful build in F-15 or later) > > > > It's done off the F15FTBFS bug. If these don't have bugs blocking that, > > they won't get picked up. > > Right, I did that from koji, not sure how the ftbfs bug was done. At least for aircrack-ng from your list no FTBFS bug has been filed, therefore I do not see any reason to remove it from Fedora. And in case it really does not build, I expect a bug report. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > dbh-1.0.24-9.fc12 I just took this and am working on the FTBFS > nightview-0.3.3-2.fc14 Lubo maintains this, I may request ownership if I can fix the FTBFS. -J -- in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: >> It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie >> not had a successful build in F-15 or later) > > It's done off the F15FTBFS bug. If these don't have bugs blocking that, > they won't get picked up. Right, I did that from koji, not sure how the ftbfs bug was done. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie > not had a successful build in F-15 or later) It's done off the F15FTBFS bug. If these don't have bugs blocking that, they won't get picked up. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 13:44:34 +, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > Well I take back some of what I said before. In the new version > (4.0.1) the cut-and-paste C code for reading and writing images has > been replaced with use of the appropriate libraries (libpng, libjpeg, > libungif, freetype). This is very encouraging, and shows that this > new upstream is back on track. > > I'm still dubious about the image processing code, since that seems to > duplicate the functionality of things like cairo, but at least (a) > it's written in OCaml so it'll be robust from buffer overflows etc, > and (b) it's not likely to be security sensitive because it doesn't > read directly from image files. > > Anyhow, go for it, don't let me discourage anyone from packaging > things for Fedora. Thanks for the comments. Having another person take a quick look at it and have good things to say (at least relative to the old version) is encouraging. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:17:21AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 13:03:09 +, > "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > > > ocaml-camlimages? I've kicked this package out of Fedora because > > camlimages has a dead upstream *and* a lengthy history of security > > bugs. It contains old C code pasted from various places, and really > > shouldn't be used. The right way to do this is to use OCaml bindings > > for libpng, libungif etc. (Debian even did some of this work, but > > didn't contribute anything back upstream ...) > > There has been an update since the package was removed. I don't see > a lot happening now, but at some time between when it was dropped and > now there was activity. (It went from 3.0.2 to 4.0.1.) Well I take back some of what I said before. In the new version (4.0.1) the cut-and-paste C code for reading and writing images has been replaced with use of the appropriate libraries (libpng, libjpeg, libungif, freetype). This is very encouraging, and shows that this new upstream is back on track. I'm still dubious about the image processing code, since that seems to duplicate the functionality of things like cairo, but at least (a) it's written in OCaml so it'll be robust from buffer overflows etc, and (b) it's not likely to be security sensitive because it doesn't read directly from image files. Anyhow, go for it, don't let me discourage anyone from packaging things for Fedora. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-df lists disk usage of guests without needing to install any software inside the virtual machine. Supports Linux and Windows. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-df/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
Hi Rich, On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 05:26:02PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 17:46:45 +, >> Peter Robinson wrote: >> > freetennis-0.4.8-18.fc12 >> >> Note that freetennis is waiting on a review of ocaml-calimages. I have tested >> rebuilding freetennis against my local copy of ocaml-calimages and it >> worked. >> >> I have traded some package maintenance tasks with Hans for getting a review >> of ocaml-calimages and it will probably be done in a couple of weeks. > > ocaml-camlimages? I've kicked this package out of Fedora because > camlimages has a dead upstream *and* a lengthy history of security > bugs. It contains old C code pasted from various places, and really > shouldn't be used. The right way to do this is to use OCaml bindings > for libpng, libungif etc. (Debian even did some of this work, but > didn't contribute anything back upstream ...) > > See my previous posting on this subject: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/039597.html > > Freetennis has a long, long dead upstream (like 5+ years), and I was > fairly certain that I had made it 'dead.package' in the past too, but > checking it now, I didn't. I suggest killing it too. Please follow the process to remove a package to ensure it's properly blocked. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Thanks, Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 13:03:09 +, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > ocaml-camlimages? I've kicked this package out of Fedora because > camlimages has a dead upstream *and* a lengthy history of security > bugs. It contains old C code pasted from various places, and really > shouldn't be used. The right way to do this is to use OCaml bindings > for libpng, libungif etc. (Debian even did some of this work, but > didn't contribute anything back upstream ...) There has been an update since the package was removed. I don't see a lot happening now, but at some time between when it was dropped and now there was activity. (It went from 3.0.2 to 4.0.1.) > See my previous posting on this subject: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/039597.html > > Freetennis has a long, long dead upstream (like 5+ years), and I was > fairly certain that I had made it 'dead.package' in the past too, but > checking it now, I didn't. I suggest killing it too. It seems to work, so even without an active upstream I don't see a need to drop it. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 05:26:02PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 17:46:45 +, > Peter Robinson wrote: > > freetennis-0.4.8-18.fc12 > > Note that freetennis is waiting on a review of ocaml-calimages. I have tested > rebuilding freetennis against my local copy of ocaml-calimages and it > worked. > > I have traded some package maintenance tasks with Hans for getting a review > of ocaml-calimages and it will probably be done in a couple of weeks. ocaml-camlimages? I've kicked this package out of Fedora because camlimages has a dead upstream *and* a lengthy history of security bugs. It contains old C code pasted from various places, and really shouldn't be used. The right way to do this is to use OCaml bindings for libpng, libungif etc. (Debian even did some of this work, but didn't contribute anything back upstream ...) See my previous posting on this subject: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/039597.html Freetennis has a long, long dead upstream (like 5+ years), and I was fairly certain that I had made it 'dead.package' in the past too, but checking it now, I didn't. I suggest killing it too. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into Xen guests. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-p2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:21:43 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 17:46:45 +, > Peter Robinson wrote: > > leonidas-backgrounds-11.0.0-2.fc12 > > This one just had an extra newline in the sources file and I have > started new builds for f17 and f18. I push the f17 build to testing > when they are done. > A problem with cvs-git transition? Since it's content-only I didn't make any new builds after the last update (before fedora 11 release) and it seems I somehow missed it failed to build during the mass rebuilds... > Since this is only a build issue, I don't think it is worth pushing > out updates for F15 or F16. Yes, it's not. Martin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 17:46:45 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > leonidas-backgrounds-11.0.0-2.fc12 This one just had an extra newline in the sources file and I have started new builds for f17 and f18. I push the f17 build to testing when they are done. Since this is only a build issue, I don't think it is worth pushing out updates for F15 or F16. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 17:46:45 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > freetennis-0.4.8-18.fc12 Note that freetennis is waiting on a review of ocaml-calimages. I have tested rebuilding freetennis against my local copy of ocaml-calimages and it worked. I have traded some package maintenance tasks with Hans for getting a review of ocaml-calimages and it will probably be done in a couple of weeks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
Hi Bill, It was my understanding that packages that are FTBFS prior to F-15 (ie not had a successful build in F-15 or later) were suppose to be retired/blocked as well. The following list are FTBFS from at least the F-15 mass rebuild and in some cases even the F-12 one but haven't been blocked and are still available in the F-17+ repositories. There's 42 total. Were they suppose to be in the list as well? Peter L-function-1.2-4.fc12 aircrack-ng-1.1-1.fc14 asylum-0.2.4-4.fc11 autodir-0.99.9-9.fc12 chronojump-0.8.14-1.fc12 compat-flex-2.5.4a-6.fc12 coredumper-1.2.1-10.fc12 crossvc-1.5.2-7.fc12 ctemplate-0.97-1.fc14 curry-0.9.11-7.fc12 dbh-1.0.24-9.fc12 email2trac-0.13-6.fc12 freetennis-0.4.8-18.fc12 g-wrap-1.9.11-4.fc12 gengetopt-2.22.3-1.fc13 gkrellm-sun-1.0.0-9.fc14 gtk-chtheme-0.3.1-6.fc14 gtkglextmm-1.2.0-10.fc12 healpix-2.13a-2.fc14 ipe-6.0-0.32.pre32patch1.fc12 jgraph-5.13.0.0-2.fc13 leonidas-backgrounds-11.0.0-2.fc12 libservicelog-1.0.1-3.fc12 ndesk-dbus-0.6.1b-1.fc13 nightview-0.3.3-2.fc14 pam_abl-0.2.3-8.fc12 pam_kcoda-0.5.1-4.fc12 pki-java-tools-1.3.1-1.fc14 polyxmass-bin-0.9.8-2.fc12 postgresql-pgpoolAdmin-2.2-2.fc12 postgresql-plruby-0.5.3-3.fc12 postgresql_autodoc-1.40-2.fc14 python-HTMLgen-2.2.2-14.fc14 python-dictclient-1.0.1-6.fc14 python-durus-3.9-2.fc14 rubygem-gettext_activerecord-2.1.0-1.fc13 rubygem-gettext_rails-2.1.0-3.fc14 spicebird-0.7.1-1.fc11 symkey-1.3.0-4.fc13 tripwire-2.4.1.2-11.fc12 tucnak2-2.31-1.fc13 txmpp-0.0.2-3.fc14 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > As stated eariler, the following packages have been retired in F-17 (and > therefore rawhide), due to either failing to build, or not having maintainers. > > adaptx > ario > asa > autodafe > avant-window-navigator > avl > awn-extras-applets > bit > blam > camstream > ccsm > compiz > compiz-bcop > compizconfig-backend-gconf > compizconfig-backend-kconfig4 > compizconfig-python > compiz-fusion-extras > compiz-fusion-unsupported > compiz-manager > conexus > dbus-cxx > eazykeyboard > eclipse-setools > eclipse-slide > erlang-erlzmq2 > expatmm > gestikk > gget > gimpfx-foundry > gkrellm-volume > gnome-paint > gnubversion > gpx-viewer > higlayout > intellij-idea > intuitively > invulgotracker > itaka > itools > iwak > iwidgets > jps > junit4 > kcirbshooter > libcompizconfig > libdesktop-agnostic > libmetalink > libnoise > libspe2 > libsx > lifeograph > log4c > lush > maradns > mathmap > maxr > mediawiki-rss > memchan > metalink > mingw32-OpenSceneGraph > mingw32-plib > mod_perlite > monsoon > mtkbabel > mulk > nanoxml > ndoutils > netbeans > netstiff > openbios > papyrus > phpTodo > picocontainer > pinot > plpa > podcatcher > puritan > pyactivemq > pyevent > pymssql > pypar2 > python-assets > python-elixir > python-text_table > python-wehjit > python-ZSI > quadkonsole > quotatool > rainbow > rudecgi > rudeconfig > snacc > specspo > spr > spu-binutils > stgit > systemtapguiserver > tbcload > tclchecker > tclcompiler > tcldebugger > tclhttpd > tclparser > tclpro > tclsoap > tcl-thread > tkcon > tktable > tomcat5 > transbot > ugene > vim-perl-tt2 > wordtrans > xcftools > xmldb-api > xmlrpc-epi > > Have a nice day. > > Bill > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 02/06/2012 08:44 PM, Andy Grimm wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Bill Nottingham >> wrote: >>> >>> As stated eariler, the following packages have been retired in F-17 (and >>> therefore rawhide), due to either failing to build, or not having >>> maintainers. >>> >>> ... >>> junit4 >>> ... >> >> >> Whoa there.. .this one wasn't in any of the previous emails... perhaps >> it was orphaned very recently? It's a BuildReq for most of the java >> universe, so probably best to give people one more shot at claiming >> it, if possible. > > > It appears that "junit" is now at version 4. Yeah and it obsoletes junit4 (and provides it). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On 02/06/2012 08:44 PM, Andy Grimm wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: As stated eariler, the following packages have been retired in F-17 (and therefore rawhide), due to either failing to build, or not having maintainers. ... junit4 ... Whoa there.. .this one wasn't in any of the previous emails... perhaps it was orphaned very recently? It's a BuildReq for most of the java universe, so probably best to give people one more shot at claiming it, if possible. It appears that "junit" is now at version 4. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [ACTION NO LONGER REQUIRED] Retired packages for F-17
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > As stated eariler, the following packages have been retired in F-17 (and > therefore rawhide), due to either failing to build, or not having maintainers. > > ... > junit4 > ... Whoa there.. .this one wasn't in any of the previous emails... perhaps it was orphaned very recently? It's a BuildReq for most of the java universe, so probably best to give people one more shot at claiming it, if possible. --Andy > > Have a nice day. > > Bill > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
