Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 17:48 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? Releng say they dropped jigdo due to overwhelming indifference (the download numbers for the jigdo images were tiny). When releng agreed to do jigdo, the proponents of it promised better tooling in the near future to create the jigdo data. That tooling was never delivered, and the process to create jigdo data continues to be manual, arduous, error prone, and still difficult for clients to manage. While I wasn't part of the decision to drop it, I wholly support the decision. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/15/11 18:23, Andre Robatino wrote: Gerd Hoffmann wrote: For developers like me which have a F16 repo for mock builds anyway it is quite useful though. A large fraction of the stuff in Packages/ is on my disk already, and with a jigdo I could save quite a bit on bandwidth and download time over my not-exactly-fast internet link ... Rsync should save almost exactly the same amount of bandwidth, since due to the way its algorithm works it will avoid downloading unchanged packages and download changed packages in full, just like jigdo. In addition you don't have to download a jigdo template file. Hmm? How will rsync compose me a .iso out of a bunch of rpms? cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. jigdo gives you the very same dvd image you can download. There are cases where this is important, for example when trying to reproduce bugs from other people, or when running kvm guest installs with autotest. cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:33 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. jigdo gives you the very same dvd image you can download. Pungi should do the same, if you use only the release repo and the kickstart from the spin-kickstarts package. -- Mathieu -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/16/11 11:31, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:33 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. jigdo gives you the very same dvd image you can download. Pungi should do the same, if you use only the release repo and the kickstart from the spin-kickstarts package. Havn't tried, but I doubt it. Usually there always is some timestamp which is different so the md5 of the iso file doesn't match and kvm autotest complains about the iso being the wrong one ... cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/16/2011 06:21 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/16/11 11:31, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:33 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. jigdo gives you the very same dvd image you can download. Pungi should do the same, if you use only the release repo and the kickstart from the spin-kickstarts package. Perhaps its useful - but about 4 minutes after installing noone has the virgin install anyway ... so the usefulness is short-lived from a bug reproducing / fixing stand ... so it value seems very limited to me. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:23 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 18:23, Andre Robatino wrote: Gerd Hoffmann wrote: For developers like me which have a F16 repo for mock builds anyway it is quite useful though. A large fraction of the stuff in Packages/ is on my disk already, and with a jigdo I could save quite a bit on bandwidth and download time over my not-exactly-fast internet link ... Rsync should save almost exactly the same amount of bandwidth, since due to the way its algorithm works it will avoid downloading unchanged packages and download changed packages in full, just like jigdo. In addition you don't have to download a jigdo template file. Hmm? How will rsync compose me a .iso out of a bunch of rpms? I take it that Andrea meant to rsync the new iso over the old one (or a copy of it). Nils -- Nils Philippsen Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty n...@redhat.com nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/16/2011 04:23 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 18:23, Andre Robatino wrote: Gerd Hoffmann wrote: For developers like me which have a F16 repo for mock builds anyway it is quite useful though. A large fraction of the stuff in Packages/ is on my disk already, and with a jigdo I could save quite a bit on bandwidth and download time over my not-exactly-fast internet link ... Rsync should save almost exactly the same amount of bandwidth, since due to the way its algorithm works it will avoid downloading unchanged packages and download changed packages in full, just like jigdo. In addition you don't have to download a jigdo template file. Hmm? How will rsync compose me a .iso out of a bunch of rpms? Cat all your available new RPMs together into one big file with the same name as the new ISO, and run rsync on that to convert it into the new ISO. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 12:21 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/16/11 11:31, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:33 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. jigdo gives you the very same dvd image you can download. Pungi should do the same, if you use only the release repo and the kickstart from the spin-kickstarts package. Havn't tried, but I doubt it. Usually there always is some timestamp which is different so the md5 of the iso file doesn't match and kvm autotest complains about the iso being the wrong one ... This is likely because we pull late fixes from a side repo when composing the RCs, then push them to the official f16 repo by the normal process; the time available is just too short to wait for an update push and repo compose and sync every time we need to build an RC. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/15/11 00:38, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 17:48 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? Releng say they dropped jigdo due to overwhelming indifference (the download numbers for the jigdo images were tiny). Yea, most users don't care probably. Also note that the download page never explained what these files are good for, so if you don't know what it is you probably just skip over it. For developers like me which have a F16 repo for mock builds anyway it is quite useful though. A large fraction of the stuff in Packages/ is on my disk already, and with a jigdo I could save quite a bit on bandwidth and download time over my not-exactly-fast internet link ... Given the size of the jigdo files small download numbers are not a good reason to stop that service IMHO. Its not like we are saving tons of mirror bandwidth ... cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On 11/08/2011 10:18 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? Yes. Would be nice to have this back. It is not a big burden. Is it? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/08/2011 10:18 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? Yes. Would be nice to have this back. It is not a big burden. Is it? I have used them, too. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. gene -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 17:48 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? Releng say they dropped jigdo due to overwhelming indifference (the download numbers for the jigdo images were tiny). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.
Hi, Fedora 16 is not science fiction. It is here right now: http://get.fedoraproject.org Hmm, no jigdo downloads any more? cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
