Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:33 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/fedora-change-wrangler > After working to implement this proposal over the summer, we have discovered two issues with the Taiga UI that make this proposal more annoying to community contributors than I'm willing to accept. The first is that each custom field requires a distinct click on the field's save button. Since the workflow makes heavy use of custom fields, this is annoying and could result in losing data. This is filed upstream: https://github.com/taigaio/taiga-front/issues/1029 The second is that custom fields are not available when creating issues. You have to create the issue and then edit it to set the custom fields. This is less bad, since most wiki-based change proposals are edited multiple times anyway, but along with the previous issue adds an extra level of annoyance. This is filed upstream: https://github.com/taigaio/taiga-front/issues/608 Both of these issues are avoided by submitting issues via the API. Manas (pac23), who spent this summer working on tooling for this proposal, included this functionality in the tool. However, I don't expect that all contributors will use the tool to submit change proposals. The current state of the web UI is sufficient to make this more annoying than I want the process to be. I still like the principles behind this proposal, and if the upstream issues are fixed (or if another suitable platform comes along), I will revisit it. In the meantime, we'll continue using the current wiki workflow. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
To address some additional questions and comments that have come up: The discoverability with this process is still good. We'll still produce either the wiki ChangeSet page or a static HTML page that contains similar information. Both options would still allow for search engines to get the content. In some ways, discoverability is improved because a page can't be "lost" by mistyping a category. There is an example change available for view: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/bcotton-test-changes-tracker/us/1?kanban-status=29 The idea is to separate things that are more like metadata from the content of the change itself. This allows for easier reporting and removes the need for change submitters to try to get free-form content into a parseable form. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:52 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > The formatting of the page leaves a bit to be desired too, esp. the > "Detailed Description" section is mangled. > I've cleaned up the formatting there a bit. > > == Contingency Plan == > > * Contingency mechanism: (What to do? Who will do it?) N/A (not a > > System Wide Change) > > > > Enough buffer time has been allocated to complete this during the GSoC > > period. > > I think we need some contingency plan: if issues are filed for F32 in > taiga, and we decide do abort the switch, somebody will need to transfer > them back to wiki. This should be spelled out. > I added a note that I will convert existing changes to wiki pages if necessary (and churchyard brought up in IRC that he already has an F32 proposal accepted. I will move that to Taiga for him, as well as any other F32 proposals that come up as this is being implemented). > What is the long-term prospect? Our Change pages serve as documentation > even years after the fact (e.g. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove > is being referenced in Debian as they do the same conversion…). Will taiga > be as long-lived? Are URLs in taiga stable? If we decide to switch away from > taiga, can we turn the Changes into static html or preserve them in some other > way? > I can't say if Taiga will out live the wiki. I can say that it is an area of importance for the Council and the Community Platform Engineering team. Taiga's URLs are stable, in my experience. We can preserve the content if we decide to switch away at some point. There's a part of me that thinks change descriptions should be committed to a docs repo after implementation (as an appendix to the release notes, perhaps), but that's outside the scope of this proposal. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 04:33:57PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/fedora-change-wrangler Please rename this to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TrackChangesInTaiga The formatting of the page leaves a bit to be desired too, esp. the "Detailed Description" section is mangled. > == Contingency Plan == > * Contingency mechanism: (What to do? Who will do it?) N/A (not a > System Wide Change) > > Enough buffer time has been allocated to complete this during the GSoC period. I think we need some contingency plan: if issues are filed for F32 in taiga, and we decide do abort the switch, somebody will need to transfer them back to wiki. This should be spelled out. What is the long-term prospect? Our Change pages serve as documentation even years after the fact (e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove is being referenced in Debian as they do the same conversion…). Will taiga be as long-lived? Are URLs in taiga stable? If we decide to switch away from taiga, can we turn the Changes into static html or preserve them in some other way? Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
-1 I am against this proposal. For me as a contributor, Wiki works just fine. It is readable, it is discoverable. It is tool which will hopefully stand long after taiga is forgotten and the proposed script is unmaitained. Vít Dne 20. 05. 19 v 22:33 Ben Cotton napsal(a): > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/fedora-change-wrangler > > = Track Changes in Taiga = > The Motivation for this proposal is to propose using the Taiga > instance at teams.fedoraproject.org for Change processing. > [[User:Bcotton/UsePagureForChanges|Using Pagure]] was previously > proposed for this. The new Change Processing workflow aims to simplify > the process to improve visibility and ease of management. > > == Summary == > The current process allows contributors to propose changes in upcoming > Fedora releases. However, the management of those feature proposals is > cumbersome and requires several manual steps. This introduces more > opportunity for error and reduces the time available to the Change > Wrangler for more valuable contributions to Fedora. In particular, the > current process includes artifacts and discussion in the Fedora Wiki, > on mailing lists, FESCo tickets, Bugzilla tickets, and Docs tickets. > > The current process is cumbersome with several manual steps,this > introduces more opportunity for error and reduces the time available > for the Change Wrangler. > A Cli Tool Written in Python that interacts with Taiga,Pagure and > Bugzilla.Functionality includes > Promoting,announcing,submitting,accepting and updating the changes > across the three platforms and over mailing list. > > The new process will consolidate much of the information in > Taiga.Proposed Changes will be submitted as an issue in Taiga. The > description of the Issue will include the content with few exceptions: > * System-Wide or Self-Contained change will be indicated by a binary > in the issue metadata > * Fedora release will be indicated by a milestone in the issue metadata > * Change status will be indicated by a list selection in the issue metadata > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:Pac23| Manas Mangaonkar]] > * Email: manasmangaon...@gmail.com || pa...@fedoraproject.org > * Name: [[User:Bcotton | Ben Cotton]] > * Email: bcot...@redhat.com > > > == Detailed Description == > As Part of GSoC 2019 the fedora-change-wrangler tool will be developed > to smooth out the workflow,reduce Manual Work involved for both the > Contributors and the Change-Wrangler(FPgm). The tool makes it easy by > covering all the functionality required for the process of moving > forward proposals. > > The tool will be developed using Python 3.6+ and will interact with > Taiga/Pagure/Bugzilla via their API and the Mailing List via SMTP. > The General Workflow would be : > 1. Change Owner opens an issue and fills in the fields. When they are > ready to submit the Change proposal, they set the status to"Ready > for Wrangler". > 2. The Change Wrangler (FPgM) reviews the proposal. If it is > incomplete, they set the status back to "New" and inform the Change > Owner of what's needed. If it is ready to process, then... > > Functionality covered > 1. Promote > * The issue will be promoted to a user story in taiga,copies the > contents of the custom fields from the issue to the user story. Closes > the issue. > > 2. Announce > * The tool would have the functionality to enable announcing the > change proposal to devel and devel-announce lists using smtp. It will > also automatically change the story status to announced. > > 3. fesco-submit > * Allowing creation of a new issue in the FESco Pagure repo directly > from the command line. > > 4. Accept > * Once the changes are accepted the change-wrangler can create a > tracking bug in Bugzilla along with release notes on Pagure.THe status > of the user story is updated to accepted aswell. > > 5. Update > * Status can be changed to testable if BZ is "Modified" and to > Complete is BZ is "ON_QA" > > 6. Creation of Report > * The user can create a report to provide quick view of changes and > their status. It can be in wiki or Html form. > > Techstack: > * Python3.6+ > * SMTP > * Taiga/Pagure/Bugzilla API's > * Nano/Gedit/Vi ( Inbuilt support to edit text) > * Kerberos(For authentication) > > The current sample arg created looks like this [ change-tool convert > --taiga ] . The advantage of this the Manager > would be able to specify unlimited no of issues to change at once in a > single command using the issue no in taiga to convert to user story. > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > The proposed change will make the change-process easier for > everyone.Everyone would be able to see them in one place with > status,id filters. The current wiki process can be bit difficult for > formatting,having defined fields would mean easy access without the > cumbersome wiki edits. > > Since changes would be submitted in Issue format on > Taiga,pre-submission discussions would be available thus getting > suggestions/feedback at the first
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
On 20/05/2019 21:33, Ben Cotton wrote: = Track Changes in Taiga = The Motivation for this proposal is to propose using the Taiga instance at teams.fedoraproject.org for Change processing. [[User:Bcotton/UsePagureForChanges|Using Pagure]] was previously proposed for this. The new Change Processing workflow aims to simplify the process to improve visibility and ease of management. So I don't know much about taigi but I just had a quick browse of a few things in that instance and I'm having some trouble visualising what it would look like when used for this. Is there an example page you can point at in the current instance that gives some of idea of what a "change" might looked at when documented in taiga? ie a view somewhat equivalent of the current wiki page for a change that shows a one page summary of it? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Track Changes in Taiga
I support this with every vote I have. mkonecny On 5/20/19 10:33 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/fedora-change-wrangler = Track Changes in Taiga = The Motivation for this proposal is to propose using the Taiga instance at teams.fedoraproject.org for Change processing. [[User:Bcotton/UsePagureForChanges|Using Pagure]] was previously proposed for this. The new Change Processing workflow aims to simplify the process to improve visibility and ease of management. == Summary == The current process allows contributors to propose changes in upcoming Fedora releases. However, the management of those feature proposals is cumbersome and requires several manual steps. This introduces more opportunity for error and reduces the time available to the Change Wrangler for more valuable contributions to Fedora. In particular, the current process includes artifacts and discussion in the Fedora Wiki, on mailing lists, FESCo tickets, Bugzilla tickets, and Docs tickets. The current process is cumbersome with several manual steps,this introduces more opportunity for error and reduces the time available for the Change Wrangler. A Cli Tool Written in Python that interacts with Taiga,Pagure and Bugzilla.Functionality includes Promoting,announcing,submitting,accepting and updating the changes across the three platforms and over mailing list. The new process will consolidate much of the information in Taiga.Proposed Changes will be submitted as an issue in Taiga. The description of the Issue will include the content with few exceptions: * System-Wide or Self-Contained change will be indicated by a binary in the issue metadata * Fedora release will be indicated by a milestone in the issue metadata * Change status will be indicated by a list selection in the issue metadata == Owner == * Name: [[User:Pac23| Manas Mangaonkar]] * Email: manasmangaon...@gmail.com || pa...@fedoraproject.org * Name: [[User:Bcotton | Ben Cotton]] * Email: bcot...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == As Part of GSoC 2019 the fedora-change-wrangler tool will be developed to smooth out the workflow,reduce Manual Work involved for both the Contributors and the Change-Wrangler(FPgm). The tool makes it easy by covering all the functionality required for the process of moving forward proposals. The tool will be developed using Python 3.6+ and will interact with Taiga/Pagure/Bugzilla via their API and the Mailing List via SMTP. The General Workflow would be : 1. Change Owner opens an issue and fills in the fields. When they are ready to submit the Change proposal, they set the status to"Ready for Wrangler". 2. The Change Wrangler (FPgM) reviews the proposal. If it is incomplete, they set the status back to "New" and inform the Change Owner of what's needed. If it is ready to process, then... Functionality covered 1. Promote * The issue will be promoted to a user story in taiga,copies the contents of the custom fields from the issue to the user story. Closes the issue. 2. Announce * The tool would have the functionality to enable announcing the change proposal to devel and devel-announce lists using smtp. It will also automatically change the story status to announced. 3. fesco-submit * Allowing creation of a new issue in the FESco Pagure repo directly from the command line. 4. Accept * Once the changes are accepted the change-wrangler can create a tracking bug in Bugzilla along with release notes on Pagure.THe status of the user story is updated to accepted aswell. 5. Update * Status can be changed to testable if BZ is "Modified" and to Complete is BZ is "ON_QA" 6. Creation of Report * The user can create a report to provide quick view of changes and their status. It can be in wiki or Html form. Techstack: * Python3.6+ * SMTP * Taiga/Pagure/Bugzilla API's * Nano/Gedit/Vi ( Inbuilt support to edit text) * Kerberos(For authentication) The current sample arg created looks like this [ change-tool convert --taiga ] . The advantage of this the Manager would be able to specify unlimited no of issues to change at once in a single command using the issue no in taiga to convert to user story. == Benefit to Fedora == The proposed change will make the change-process easier for everyone.Everyone would be able to see them in one place with status,id filters. The current wiki process can be bit difficult for formatting,having defined fields would mean easy access without the cumbersome wiki edits. Since changes would be submitted in Issue format on Taiga,pre-submission discussions would be available thus getting suggestions/feedback at the first stage itself would be easy for everyone involved. == Scope == * Proposal owners: I will be working with the Change-Wrangler(Ben Cotton) throughout the summer to create this tool from scratch. * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering:(no release engineering impact is expected) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) == Upgrade/compat
