Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and join if you're interested. This is intended to be a request for comments and input rather than a finish document. Note that Minimal Core isn't meant to necessarily imply minimal possible distribution. I would have just called it Fedora Core, if we didn't already have a lot of baggage around that name. It means minimal for us, and the group's mission is defining exactly what that means, and estabilishing sensible standards around that. Basically, we have the various desktop SIGs which decide what goes into those package sets, and it's reasonable to have one for core as well. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I'm in. -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://znmeb.github.com/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/ How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing A weem oh way! at the top of their lungs? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a_core_ system, you must use kickstart like this: %packages --nobase %end This isn't true anymore. --nobase doesn't do anything because there is no @base. It was renamed to @standard, and it's no longer selected by default in kickstart. Also, the minimal install (GUI or TUI) does %packages \n %end as well, only @core gets installed. So the result is the same as doing the kickstart. Thanks for info. I reported a bug in anaconda to update the kickstart documentation: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875650 That means that Minimal Core SIG or Core SIG now makes even more sense :-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
- Original Message - Matthew Miller píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 15:15 -0500: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and join if you're interested. This is intended to be a request for comments and input rather than a finish document. Note that Minimal Core isn't meant to necessarily imply minimal possible distribution. I would have just called it Fedora Core, if we didn't already have a lot of baggage around that name. It means minimal for us, and the group's mission is defining exactly what that means, and estabilishing sensible standards around that. Basically, we have the various desktop SIGs which decide what goes into those package sets, and it's reasonable to have one for core as well. Maybe such groups could exist for all top-level groups in comps? And yes, I'm interested in this SIG. How will be Core SIG related to Server SIG? As a basis for Server SIG work? As far as I can see what you wanted to achieve with this SIG is now covered partially in Core SIG. Jaroslav Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
Jaroslav Reznik píše v Po 12. 11. 2012 v 04:52 -0500: - Original Message - Matthew Miller píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 15:15 -0500: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and join if you're interested. This is intended to be a request for comments and input rather than a finish document. Note that Minimal Core isn't meant to necessarily imply minimal possible distribution. I would have just called it Fedora Core, if we didn't already have a lot of baggage around that name. It means minimal for us, and the group's mission is defining exactly what that means, and estabilishing sensible standards around that. Basically, we have the various desktop SIGs which decide what goes into those package sets, and it's reasonable to have one for core as well. Maybe such groups could exist for all top-level groups in comps? And yes, I'm interested in this SIG. How will be Core SIG related to Server SIG? As a basis for Server SIG work? As far as I can see what you wanted to achieve with this SIG is now covered partially in Core SIG. it's correct there is an overlap, but it will allow the Server SIG (when alive again) to concentrate on the higher level stuff (like organizing the servers in comps to be easier accessible) while the Core SIG will care of the common lowest denominator. And is also answers the question where the Server begins = on top of Core. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a _core_ system, you must use kickstart like this: %packages --nobase %end That is even smaller than default minimal installation. But I understand this initiative is related to the default minimal installation as displayed in anaconda. So maybe Fedora Base SIG, or Fedora Minimal SIG? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:45:56AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote: I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a _core_ system, you must use kickstart like this: There is no more @base group -- it's @standard now. Can't find the message about it right now. But yeah, your point still stands. That is even smaller than default minimal installation. But I understand this initiative is related to the default minimal installation as displayed in anaconda. I was actually more focused on the actual core group, in line with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_groups#Core But, I think that it's reasonable for this group to be concerned with both; the definition should probably be expanded. The reason I didn't want just Fedora Minimal is that sounds too much like an ideological effort to make Fedora into an ultra-tiny distro. But the exact name isn't important to me and if others think it'd be better to just be Minimal I'm totally okay with that. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On 11/09/2012 06:45 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a_core_ system, you must use kickstart like this: %packages --nobase %end This isn't true anymore. --nobase doesn't do anything because there is no @base. It was renamed to @standard, and it's no longer selected by default in kickstart. Also, the minimal install (GUI or TUI) does %packages \n %end as well, only @core gets installed. So the result is the same as doing the kickstart. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 08:11:17AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Also, the minimal install (GUI or TUI) does %packages \n %end as well, only @core gets installed. So the result is the same as doing the kickstart. Okay, cool -- I didn't know that was changed too. Good! -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
Matthew Miller píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 15:15 -0500: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and join if you're interested. This is intended to be a request for comments and input rather than a finish document. Note that Minimal Core isn't meant to necessarily imply minimal possible distribution. I would have just called it Fedora Core, if we didn't already have a lot of baggage around that name. It means minimal for us, and the group's mission is defining exactly what that means, and estabilishing sensible standards around that. Basically, we have the various desktop SIGs which decide what goes into those package sets, and it's reasonable to have one for core as well. Maybe such groups could exist for all top-level groups in comps? And yes, I'm interested in this SIG. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
Dan Horák (d...@danny.cz) said: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and join if you're interested. This is intended to be a request for comments and input rather than a finish document. Note that Minimal Core isn't meant to necessarily imply minimal possible distribution. I would have just called it Fedora Core, if we didn't already have a lot of baggage around that name. It means minimal for us, and the group's mission is defining exactly what that means, and estabilishing sensible standards around that. Basically, we have the various desktop SIGs which decide what goes into those package sets, and it's reasonable to have one for core as well. Maybe such groups could exist for all top-level groups in comps? I would love it if someone showed love to things like the web-server group, or similar things. Historically... people don't seem to care too much. (See the sad, sad, web-development group in F17 and earlier.) A lot of it likely is that server users don't use the groups, and just do the packages by hand. To fix that, we'd need to set up something better that actually helps them (canned configs, integration, etc.) Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
Is it similar to the minimal install media of some distribution? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 08:18:37AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: Is it similar to the minimal install media of some distribution? Theoretically it could be used to make a minimal spin, yes. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
OKAY,it sounds interesting,I'd like to join. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:11:26AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: OKAY,it sounds interesting,I'd like to join. All it takes is editing the wiki to add your name. If there's enough interest (it seems like there's actually a lot -- more than I anticipated!), it may be worth having our own mailing list. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
