Re: Installing on old systems with only PATA/IDE hard drives

2013-05-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-05-12 at 21:27 -0400, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote:
 I thought that this might be an issue with incompatible hardware, as I
 was trying to install Fedora 18 on an old Dell (Celeron D processor) I'd
 bought for my mother that she was no longer using.  However, I got an
 error when attempting to install when the process was probing the drives.
 
 I thought maybe it was something wonky with the Dell hardware, so I
 ignored it for the time being, as the only results when searching online
 were apparently older, seemingly unrelated bugs fixed in previous kernel
 commits.
 
 However, I ran into the same problem when attempting to install to a
 more recent AMD 64-bit system that I'd put together (and which has had
 older versions of Fedora installed on, but I cannot remember which at
 this time), but which still stalled at the same point during the install.
 
 In both cases, the install process dropped to the dracut emergency
 prompt, and in both cases, I was attempting to install from a USB stick.
  The USB stick image was verified in both cases, as well.  The same
 issue happened with both DVD images as well as netinst images.  I tried
 with both F18 and F19 Alpha.
 
 Both systems were installing to an 80GB EIDE/PATA hard drive.  I
 encountered the same problem attempting to install to a 20GB drive as well.
 
 It's a little challenging because the disk is inaccessible, and I could
 not figure-out how to save the install log up to that point.  Any tips
 on what I can do to make a proper report out of this would be most
 appreciated, or just let me know if installs to PATA/EIDE systems are
 just no longer supported.  I could not find any language addressing this
 issue online, but that could be just insufficient Google-Fu.

We do have an install-to-IDE device test in the validation matrix:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_install_to_PATA_device

but for the last few releases it's mostly been marked as pass by me on
the basis of virtual machine testing, so it's just barely possible it's
somehow broken on real hardware. I'd be surprised, though. The way I
test this is just to remove the virtio 'disk' from my test VM and re-add
the same disk image as a PATA 'disk' instead.
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Re: Installing on old systems with only PATA/IDE hard drives

2013-05-12 Thread John Reiser
 Any tips
 on what I can do to make a proper report out of this would be most
 appreciated, or just let me know if installs to PATA/EIDE systems are
 just no longer supported.

I've got a i686 box with only PATA, and two root partitions of F19-Alpha-i386;
one via netinst+network, one via netinst+USB.  (The box cannot boot via USB.)
Both roots have been yum update daily with updates-testing.

The anaconda installer keeps its log files in /tmp, and you should attach
those files to a bug report.  'scp' them to another system (the network
will be up if the installer gets that far).  Or, copy to a USB stick
then move that USB stick to another system.  Then file the bug report.

Change to console VT2 by typing CtrlAltF2 where F2 is Function key F2.
dmesg (or tail /tmp/syslog) to determine which /dev/sdX is the USB stick
mkdir /stick
mount /dev/sdX1 /stick
cd /stick
mkdir MMDDa  # such as '0513a'; probably you're going to be doing this more 
than once
cd 0513a
cp /tmp/* .  # ignore the directories; you want the top-level files
sync
cd /tmp
umount /stick
Change back to installer graphics with CtrlAltF7.

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Re: Installing on old systems with only PATA/IDE hard drives

2013-05-12 Thread Basil Mohamed Gohar
On 05/13/2013 12:50 AM, John Reiser wrote:
 Any tips
 on what I can do to make a proper report out of this would be most
 appreciated, or just let me know if installs to PATA/EIDE systems are
 just no longer supported.
 
 I've got a i686 box with only PATA, and two root partitions of F19-Alpha-i386;
 one via netinst+network, one via netinst+USB.  (The box cannot boot via USB.)
 Both roots have been yum update daily with updates-testing.
 
 The anaconda installer keeps its log files in /tmp, and you should attach
 those files to a bug report.  'scp' them to another system (the network
 will be up if the installer gets that far).  Or, copy to a USB stick
 then move that USB stick to another system.  Then file the bug report.
 
 Change to console VT2 by typing CtrlAltF2 where F2 is Function key F2.
 dmesg (or tail /tmp/syslog) to determine which /dev/sdX is the USB stick
 mkdir /stick
 mount /dev/sdX1 /stick
 cd /stick
 mkdir MMDDa  # such as '0513a'; probably you're going to be doing this 
 more than once
 cd 0513a
 cp /tmp/* .  # ignore the directories; you want the top-level files
 sync
 cd /tmp
 umount /stick
 Change back to installer graphics with CtrlAltF7.
 
Thanks, John.  I'll try my best to follow these steps the next time I go
through the install, and see what I can get.  I'll put it all in a bug
report, most likely.

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Re: Installing on old systems with only PATA/IDE hard drives

2013-05-12 Thread Felix Miata
I have multiple PATA-only systems running F18 and/or F19, but all are 
pre-newUI HTTP installations that have been Yum upgraded.

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