Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:07:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:02:35PM +0530, Sumit Bhardwaj wrote: Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. I was under impression Fedora about community and friendship. Not about control. -- Tomasz .. oo o. oo o. .o .o o. o. oo o. .. Torcz.. .o .o .o .o oo oo .o .. .. oo oo o.o.o. .o .. o. o. o. o. o. o. oo .. .. o. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:02:35PM +0530, Sumit Bhardwaj wrote: Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 05:12:35PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. I was under impression Fedora about community and friendship. Not about control. I didn't mean control in some sort of fascist sense. Simply that often posts are not related to the Fedora community at all, and we really _didn't_ want to be draconian about locking that down. We're not shutting down the planet aggregator, and if you prefer it as a start page, http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ is still a a thing. If there's general consensus that people really prefer it on the default start page, we can revisit that for the next design. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:07:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. After some coffee, I should add some more explanation. Fedora has many times more users than developers, and the start page should primarily appeal to that wider audience. Most of the content on the planet — even that which is properly Fedora-related — is pretty highly tilted towards the geekier contributor side. There's nothing wrong with that, but it can be overwhelming. So, the goal with the Magazine is to be more user-focused (although there's still a lot of contributor-focused stuff mixed in as well; we're still working on the balance). If you're deeply involved and want the firehose, http://planet.fedoraproject.org is there. If *you'd* like to contribute user-focused content (even reposting from your blog, or whatever), see https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/52782/how-do-i-contribute-to-fedora-magazine/?answer=52786#post-id-52786 There's also value in having users aware of the wider community and drawing them in, so, again... we're working out the balance, and everyone's help figuring that out is welcome. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 04:02:35PM +0530, Sumit Bhardwaj wrote: Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. start.fedoraproject.org used to be the biggest referrer to my blog posts. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer Director Python Software Foundation http://kushaldas.in -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
Well, I understand your point Matthew. Yes, often the post are on the geekier side and may not be related to Fedora project as such, but most of them are about Linux in general and day to day problems/solutions in a Linux user's life. I am not aware of the intentions behind the Planet Fedora aggregator's invention but if I am not wrong, all the blog posts that appear on it are from Fedora contributors only, from some project or other. Many times these posts are very informative and solve highly technical problems or provide way around some tricky situations based on real life experiences. So Planet Fedora is important for me personally, both as a user and as a developer. Going to it directly by entering the URL is ok but is a additional step. What you are saying about the start page is correct and yes, it should cater to the wider audience as much as possible. What I think can be done at least is since the new UI has tabs on top, another tab can be added that points to the planet fedora aggregator. It still won't be that useful but at least it won't be completely gone from the page. I think its an important part of it and I am sure there will be few other also, if not many, who developed a habit of checking it from start page over time like me. I will do some more thinking on it and if I come up with some subtle design changes that can incorporate planet Fedora links without actually changing the new design language and audience view of the page, I will surely share it. In that case, with whom can I share these? -- Regards, Sumit Bhardwaj On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 11:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:07:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? Often, those posts were not Fedora related, and generally out of our control. I'm glad you found them usually interesting — that's valuable feedback. After some coffee, I should add some more explanation. Fedora has many times more users than developers, and the start page should primarily appeal to that wider audience. Most of the content on the planet — even that which is properly Fedora-related — is pretty highly tilted towards the geekier contributor side. There's nothing wrong with that, but it can be overwhelming. So, the goal with the Magazine is to be more user-focused (although there's still a lot of contributor-focused stuff mixed in as well; we're still working on the balance). If you're deeply involved and want the firehose, http://planet.fedoraproject.org is there. If *you'd* like to contribute user-focused content (even reposting from your blog, or whatever), see https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/52782/how-do-i-contribute-to-fedora-magazine/?answer=52786#post-id-52786 There's also value in having users aware of the wider community and drawing them in, so, again... we're working out the balance, and everyone's help figuring that out is welcome. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Removal of Fedora Planet post links from start.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:02:35 +0530 Sumit Bhardwaj sumitkbhard...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Hope its the right place to discuss this. Recently, during the redesign of the start.fedoraproject.org page, the links to updated/new posts from planet.fedoraproject.org were removed. Any specific reason for this? You likely want the fedora-websites list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites You should be able to talk with the folks that did the redesign there. kevin pgpl2yd7Lyc4F.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
