Re: Why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged into F17

2012-04-10 Thread Vít Ondruch

Dne 6.4.2012 18:57, Jared K. Smith napsal(a):

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Vít Ondruchvondr...@redhat.com  wrote:

I am wondering why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged
into F17 (of course after staging in Bodhi), when the situation couldn't be
worse by such fix. If F17 is supposed to stabilize during freeze, such fix
is definitely stabilizing IMO. Am I missing something?

If it's stabilizing, then propose it as a NTH fix, and the QA team
will help vote it up or down in the blocker review meetings.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process

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Actually the reason why I am asking is that there is a lot of broken 
dependencies, because of Ruby update. Some of them are already fixed, 
but not accepted due to freeze. Proposing all this fixes as NTH would be 
nightmare for me as well as for the blocker review meeting. I'd love to 
see this process simplified/automated.


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Re: Why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged into F17

2012-04-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 08:15:14 +0200,
  Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote:


Actually the reason why I am asking is that there is a lot of broken 
dependencies, because of Ruby update. Some of them are already fixed, 
but not accepted due to freeze. Proposing all this fixes as NTH would 
be nightmare for me as well as for the blocker review meeting. I'd 
love to see this process simplified/automated.


If they aren't breaking things in the default install or the 4 desktop
live images they aren't going to be accepted as NTH since they don't
affect the compose and they can easily be fixed with updates.
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Re: Why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged into F17

2012-04-10 Thread Vít Ondruch

Dne 10.4.2012 08:23, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a):

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 08:15:14 +0200,
  Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote:


Actually the reason why I am asking is that there is a lot of broken 
dependencies, because of Ruby update. Some of them are already fixed, 
but not accepted due to freeze. Proposing all this fixes as NTH would 
be nightmare for me as well as for the blocker review meeting. I'd 
love to see this process simplified/automated.


If they aren't breaking things in the default install or the 4 desktop
live images they aren't going to be accepted as NTH since they don't
affect the compose and they can easily be fixed with updates.


Not sure if this is in support of my case or against :)

But as you says If they aren't breaking things in the default install 
or the 4 desktop
live images, then they should go into updates immediately after 
spending some testing period in Bodhi and they should not wait for unfreeze.


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Re: Why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged into F17

2012-04-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 08:41:16 +0200,
  Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote:


Not sure if this is in support of my case or against :)


Against.

But as you says If they aren't breaking things in the default 
install or the 4 desktop
live images, then they should go into updates immediately after 
spending some testing period in Bodhi and they should not wait for 
unfreeze.


By they I meant bugs, not the fixes. If the fixes don't fix blockers
or can be fixed in updates, then they wait until after the freeze.
This is to avoid new breakage.
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Re: Why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged into F17

2012-04-06 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote:
 I am wondering why fixes of broken dependencies are not automatically tagged
 into F17 (of course after staging in Bodhi), when the situation couldn't be
 worse by such fix. If F17 is supposed to stabilize during freeze, such fix
 is definitely stabilizing IMO. Am I missing something?

If it's stabilizing, then propose it as a NTH fix, and the QA team
will help vote it up or down in the blocker review meetings.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process

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