Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
Am 09.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? >>> IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing >>> the text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in >>> here... >> >> I removed it from my test vm with no apparent ill effects > > Does a kernel upgrade work as expected? (dracut might want plymouth to > put in the initramfs?) kernel-line: rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0 [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/dracut.conf.d/90-plymouth.conf omit_dracutmodules+="plymouth" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
On Fri, 09.11.12 08:53, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:08PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > You might want to remove plymouth from the minimal install since it > > does not make sense having it there anyway > > Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? In rc.sysinit-times ply was the only way how LUKS passwords and suchlike could be prompted during boot. Hence rc.sysinit in a way relied on plymouth to be around to fully function. In systemd we have a non-ply fallback in place however, so prompting passwords on the text console without ply around should work fine nowadays. We regularly test systemd upstream with and without plymouth, to make sure both ways to boot is well supported. Dropping plymouth from the minimal install set should hence be unproblematic and well supported. Note that even on systemd without a display plymouth used to be highly useful since it collected the boot status output from the console and stored it away in log files. With systemd we now connect all boot services (that means stdout/stderr and syslog() of all services in the initrd and early boot) to the journal anyway, so this really useful functionality of plymouth is not necessary anymore. (In case you wonder, to get these boot outputs just run "journalctl -b"). Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
Le Ven 9 novembre 2012 17:35, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > > Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? >> > IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing >> > the text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in >> > here... >> >> I removed it from my test vm with no apparent ill effects > > Does a kernel upgrade work as expected? (dracut might want plymouth to > put in the initramfs?) It works fine. The only thing that used to peg plymouth were some package deps, and they've been removed lately Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? > > IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing > > the text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in > > here... > > I removed it from my test vm with no apparent ill effects Does a kernel upgrade work as expected? (dracut might want plymouth to put in the initramfs?) > > > I'm starting to think that a dedicated list for the minimal core > > > sig makes sense after all. > > I'm thinking the opposite. ;) For example, as above plymouth folks > > read the devel list, you would have to find and invite them to a new > > list. ;) > > Eh, I'm willing to try either way. :) > > Can't we just use this list and try and add more signal to it for > > those that killed off the long threads? > > Mailman needs a feature where it automatically redirects super-long > threads to a separate mailing list. Yeah, although you could also just not pay attention to it at the client end. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? > IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing the > text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in here... I removed it from my test vm with no apparent ill effects > > I'm starting to think that a dedicated list for the minimal core sig > > makes sense after all. > I'm thinking the opposite. ;) For example, as above plymouth folks read > the devel list, you would have to find and invite them to a new > list. ;) Eh, I'm willing to try either way. > Can't we just use this list and try and add more signal to it for those > that killed off the long threads? Mailman needs a feature where it automatically redirects super-long threads to a separate mailing list. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:53:19 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:08PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > You might want to remove plymouth from the minimal install since it > > does not make sense having it there anyway > > Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing the text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in here... > I'm starting to think that a dedicated list for the minimal core sig > makes sense after all. I'm thinking the opposite. ;) For example, as above plymouth folks read the devel list, you would have to find and invite them to a new list. ;) Can't we just use this list and try and add more signal to it for those that killed off the long threads? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
