Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-10-23)

2013-10-25 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
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 On 10/24/2013 02:45 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
  * ticket #1182 F21/F22 System Wide Change: Python 3 as the
  Default Implementation -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default
  (nirik, 18:10:29) * AGREED: Feature is approved, provided that
  the contingency plan is updated with permitting a mixed
  environment of py2/py3 (+6,-1,0) (nirik, 18:30:22)
  
  This is not very clear to me. Does that mean that we shouldn't use
  side tag at all, but rather just switch as many system tools as
  possible to Python 3 (in F22 rawhide) and leave the rest running
  on Python 2? Just making sure before I update the Change page.
  
 
 Yes, we determined that a reasonable contingency plan is to move
 forward with the parts that did get converted properly and finish up
 the work in the next release.
 

Thanks for the clarification, I'll update the Change page.

 The major caveat was that we would like to request that you focus
 efforts heavily on getting all the pieces that are required for the
 stripped-down cloud image in first, since they're the ones with the
 most to lose if we get stuck carrying two stacks at once.

Ok, I'll try to send some patches in this direction.

Thanks,
Slavek.
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-10-23)

2013-10-24 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
 * ticket #1182 F21/F22 System Wide Change: Python 3 as the Default
   Implementation -
   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default  (nirik,
   18:10:29)
   * AGREED: Feature is approved, provided that the contingency plan is
 updated with permitting a mixed environment of py2/py3 (+6,-1,0)
 (nirik, 18:30:22)

This is not very clear to me. Does that mean that we shouldn't use side tag at 
all, but rather just switch as many system tools as possible to Python 3 (in 
F22 rawhide) and leave the rest running on Python 2? Just making sure before I 
update the Change page.

Thanks.

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-10-23)

2013-10-24 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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On 10/24/2013 02:45 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
 * ticket #1182 F21/F22 System Wide Change: Python 3 as the
 Default Implementation - 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default 
 (nirik, 18:10:29) * AGREED: Feature is approved, provided that
 the contingency plan is updated with permitting a mixed
 environment of py2/py3 (+6,-1,0) (nirik, 18:30:22)
 
 This is not very clear to me. Does that mean that we shouldn't use 
 side tag at all, but rather just switch as many system tools as 
 possible to Python 3 (in F22 rawhide) and leave the rest running
 on Python 2? Just making sure before I update the Change page.
 

Yes, we determined that a reasonable contingency plan is to move
forward with the parts that did get converted properly and finish up
the work in the next release.

The major caveat was that we would like to request that you focus
efforts heavily on getting all the pieces that are required for the
stripped-down cloud image in first, since they're the ones with the
most to lose if we get stuck carrying two stacks at once.
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-10-23)

2013-10-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-10-23)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-10-23/fesco.2013-10-23-18.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* init process  (nirik, 18:00:04)

* ticket #1164 F20 Changes - Process on Changes Freeze  (nirik,
  18:02:46)
  * AGREED: moving ryu to f21, wait on vagrant and lvm thin
provisioning. (+8,0,0)  (nirik, 18:05:32)

* ticket #1181 Fedora still vulnerable to BEAST  (nirik, 18:05:42)
  * AGREED: close ticket now that nss is rebuilt. Follow up with other
related items on list.  (nirik, 18:10:17)

* ticket #1182 F21/F22 System Wide Change: Python 3 as the Default
  Implementation -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default  (nirik,
  18:10:29)
  * AGREED: Feature is approved, provided that the contingency plan is
updated with permitting a mixed environment of py2/py3 (+6,-1,0)
(nirik, 18:30:22)
  * FESCo strongly advises prioritizing this work on those packages that
appear in the minimal and cloud images first  (sgallagh, 18:30:33)

* ticket #1183 Don't enable prelink by default in Fedora  (nirik,
  18:31:40)
  * AGREED: remove prelink from core and standard groups (+8,0,0)
(nirik, 18:34:20)

* ticket #1170 Working Group call for Volunteers  (nirik, 18:34:39)
  * AGREED: pknirsch will coordinate base design working group for
fesco. (+7,0,0)  (nirik, 18:47:16)
  * AGREED: working groups can decide if they want new lists when they
meet (+7,0,0)  (nirik, 19:15:35)
  * AGREED: working groups should have a governance document/charter by
nov 15th approved by fesco (+7,0,0)  (nirik, 19:22:49)

* Next week's chair  (nirik, 19:27:01)
  * notting to chair next week  (nirik, 19:28:40)

* Open Floor  (nirik, 19:28:44)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections   (nirik, 19:33:19)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_election_policy   (nirik,
19:34:30)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/360   (nirik, 19:35:34)

Meeting ended at 19:40:29 UTC.




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People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (139)
* sgallagh (97)
* mattdm (59)
* jwb (35)
* mitr (34)
* notting (28)
* pjones (24)
* pknirsch (21)
* adamw (17)
* mmaslano (17)
* jreznik (16)
* t8m (11)
* Viking-Ice (9)
* zodbot (9)
* drago01_ (8)
* samkottler (2)
* kalev (1)
* abadger1999 (0)
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18:00:04 nirik #startmeeting FESCO (2013-10-23)
18:00:04 zodbot Meeting started Wed Oct 23 18:00:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is 
nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:04 zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link 
#topic.
18:00:04 nirik #meetingname fesco
18:00:04 nirik #chair abadger1999 mattdm mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones 
t8m sgallagh
18:00:04 nirik #topic init process
18:00:04 zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
18:00:04 zodbot Current chairs: abadger1999 mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik 
notting pjones sgallagh t8m
18:00:20 nirik who all is here today for exciting and fun fesco meeting?
18:00:25 mmaslano hi
18:00:29 mattdm oooh! I am!
18:00:30 sgallagh Greetings
18:00:36 mitr Hello
18:00:42 t8m hi all
18:00:51 nirik abadger1999 is off at ansiblefest today, so he likely won't be 
around.
18:01:07 pjones hello.
18:02:31 notting i'm here as long as the conference wifi holds up
18:02:37 nirik cool.
18:02:44 notting (and as long as we don't go too ridiculously long)
18:02:46 nirik #topic ticket #1164 F20 Changes - Process on Changes Freeze
18:02:46 nirik .fesco 1164
18:02:47 zodbot nirik: #1164 (F20 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – 
FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1164
18:03:02 nirik I'm +1 to jreznik's suggestion in the last comment.
18:03:32 mitr +1
18:03:39 mattdm Proposal:
18:03:41 mattdm mark Ryu Network Operating System as incomplete, postpone to 
F21
18:03:42 t8m +1 from me as well
18:03:43 mattdm Vagrant as Self Contained Change, not on any official media - 
wait for completion by Final Change Deadline, only for marketing purposes
18:03:45 pjones I'm +1 to that
18:03:45 mattdm same for OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning - 
Change is completed, missing user friendliness bits (profiles, LVM team is 
aware of it)
18:03:47 sgallagh nirik: +1, but it doesn't talk about what to do with the 
LVM change
18:04:00 * sgallagh misread
18:04:03 mattdm +1
18:04:16 sgallagh I missed the same for piece. Pay me no mind.
18:04:24 mmaslano +1
18:05:26 notting action plan seems reasonable - +1
18:05:32 nirik #agreed moving ryu to f21, wait on vagrant and lvm thin 
provisioning. (+8,0,0)
18:05:42 nirik #topic ticket #1181 Fedora still vulnerable to BEAST
18:05:42 nirik .fesco 1181
18:05:43 zodbot nirik: #1181 (Fedora still vulnerable to BEAST) – FESCo -