Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
Simone Caronni wrote: Ok, sounds fair, thanks for clarification. In that thread on -devel (i've read it yesterday) there's the note that it would be eventually introduced somewhere around Fedora 22. At the time, it wasn't fully decided yet. (Keep in mind that the mail was written over a year ago, months before the Fedora 21 release.) Is there anything official written somewhere? Wiki, etc. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma_5 documents Plasma 5 as a Fedora 22 change. The removal of support for the XEmbed-based system tray protocol is a documented upstream change in Plasma 5, e.g. in: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ Where else should it be written? I'm reverting the change in remmina.git. Can I just delete the update in Bodhi? Yes. (You'll probably need to unpush it from testing first, then Bodhi will let you delete it.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On 4 June 2015 at 03:24, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: ndeed, you missed: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196343.html libappindicator is now (since Fedora 22) also REQUIRED for GTK+ system tray applets to work under KDE Plasma. (Plasma 5 no longer supports the legacy XEmbed-based system tray protocol that the builtin GTK+ classes implement.) Please DO NOT REMOVE libappindicator support from your packages. Instead, actually ADD it where upstream supports it and it is not yet enabled in Fedora. Ok, sounds fair, thanks for clarification. In that thread on -devel (i've read it yesterday) there's the note that it would be eventually introduced somewhere around Fedora 22. Is there anything official written somewhere? Wiki, etc. I'm reverting the change in remmina.git. Can I just delete the update in Bodhi? Thanks regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 03:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: libappindicator is now (since Fedora 22) also REQUIRED for GTK+ system tray applets to work under KDE Plasma. (Plasma 5 no longer supports the legacy XEmbed-based system tray protocol that the builtin GTK+ classes implement.) Hey, that's awesome, congrats on killing XEmbed. I wish GNOME would do that as well Implementing the new status notifier specification would get you a long way there, in addition to improving GNOME Shell interoperability with applications written for Plasma or Unity. There's even (finally!) an implementation that GNOME could just merge: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/ (The extension was developed by rgcjonas based on patches submitted by Giovanni Campagna back in 2011. Thanks to Giovanni Panozzo (Reminna upstream) for the link and to Simone Caronni for forwarding it here.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
drago01 wrote: The thing is we want to kill it but our designers didn't come up with a suitable replacement just use notifications does not cover what the app authors want so they stick to systray icons unfortunately. But we should have this discussion upstream not here. The Status Notifier (AppIndicator) specification is the replacement. It doesn't come from GNOME designers (Not Invented Here?), but it works. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 03:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: libappindicator is now (since Fedora 22) also REQUIRED for GTK+ system tray applets to work under KDE Plasma. (Plasma 5 no longer supports the legacy XEmbed-based system tray protocol that the builtin GTK+ classes implement.) Hey, that's awesome, congrats on killing XEmbed. I wish GNOME would do that as well -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 03:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: libappindicator is now (since Fedora 22) also REQUIRED for GTK+ system tray applets to work under KDE Plasma. (Plasma 5 no longer supports the legacy XEmbed-based system tray protocol that the builtin GTK+ classes implement.) Hey, that's awesome, congrats on killing XEmbed. I wish GNOME would do that as well The thing is we want to kill it but our designers didn't come up with a suitable replacement just use notifications does not cover what the app authors want so they stick to systray icons unfortunately. But we should have this discussion upstream not here. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On 3 June 2015 at 11:28, Pavel Alexeev pa...@hubbitus.info wrote: Hi, Is not it virt-manager problem or libappindicator? Shouldn't it be addressed there? If I remember correctly there was a time when people were discussing about bringing Unity in Fedora. This did not happen, and actually the library is pretty useless as there is no libappindicator consumer right now. I'm not sure it's worth investigating. Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
- Original Message - On 3 June 2015 at 11:28, Pavel Alexeev pa...@hubbitus.info wrote: Hi, Is not it virt-manager problem or libappindicator? Shouldn't it be addressed there? If I remember correctly there was a time when people were discussing about bringing Unity in Fedora. This did not happen, and actually the library is pretty useless as there is no libappindicator consumer right now. I'm not sure it's worth investigating. There is consumer - Plasma 5, one of two blocking desktops :). For more info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196343.html So it would be nice to have GTK apps that still offers systray built against it too. For Unity, a bit OT here. Long time ago I had working Unity 2D (nice lightweight desktop, a few lines of QML code) for Fedora but then they merged it with GTK version it was impossible to continue. Now with switch to QML, it might be possible again. Jaroslav Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
In Fedora 21 it was already disabled.
Disabled it also on f22 and master branches.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/remmina-1.2.0-0.6.git.b3237e8.fc22
Regards,
--Simone
On 1 June 2015 at 11:20, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:
libappindicator-gtk3 breaks virt-manager's systray functionality,
precisely:
click on virt-manager's systray icon via left mice button -should- quickly
show or hide Virtual Machine Manager window.
If remember correctly, I have already mentioned this problemo at least
twice, right mister Robinson.
Did I really missed something important in this respect, or in a parallel
universe you guys use Unity on Fedora?
Related:
Try enable APPINDICATOR by suggestion of Giovanni Panozzo.
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/remmina.git/commit/?id=2ef81fd
# dnf install remmina
Fatal Python error: Failed to open /dev/urandom
Aborted
# yum install remmina
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
--- Package remmina.x86_64 0:1.2.0-0.5.git.b3237e8.fc23 will be installed
-- Processing Dependency: libappindicator3.so.1()(64bit) for package:
remmina-1.2.0-0.5.git.b3237e8.fc23.x86_64
-- Running transaction check
--- Package libappindicator-gtk3.x86_64 0:12.10.0-9.fc23 will be installed
-- Processing Dependency: libindicator3.so.7()(64bit) for package:
libappindicator-gtk3-12.10.0-9.fc23.x86_64
-- Running transaction check
--- Package libindicator-gtk3.x86_64 0:12.10.1-4.fc22 will be installed
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
Dependencies Resolved
PackageArch VersionRepository
Size
Installing:
remminax86_64 1.2.0-0.5.git.b3237e8.fc23 rawhide
384 k
Installing for dependencies:
libappindicator-gtk3 x86_64 12.10.0-9.fc23 rawhide
40 k
libindicator-gtk3 x86_64 12.10.1-4.fc22 rawhide
67 k
Transaction Summary
Install 1 Package (+2 Dependent packages)
Total download size: 491 k
Installed size: 1.9 M
Is this ok [y/d/N]: N
Exiting on user command
...
$ rpm -q virt-manager
virt-manager-1.2.0-1.fc23.noarch
$ rpm -q --qf '\n%{url}\n\n%{summary}\n\n%{description}\n'
libappindicator-gtk3
https://launchpad.net/libappindicator
Application indicators library - GTK 3
A library to allow applications to export a menu into the Unity Menu bar.
Based
on KSNI it also works in KDE and will fallback to generic Systray support
if
none of those are available.
This package contains the GTK 3 version of this library.
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Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 3 June 2015 at 11:28, Pavel Alexeev pa...@hubbitus.info wrote: snip If I remember correctly there was a time when people were discussing about bringing Unity in Fedora. This did not happen, and actually the library is pretty useless as there is no libappindicator consumer right now. I'm not sure it's worth investigating. snip For Unity, a bit OT here. Long time ago I had working Unity 2D (nice lightweight desktop, a few lines of QML code) for Fedora but then they merged it with GTK version it was impossible to continue. Now with switch to QML, it might be possible again. Jaroslav Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct I had been personally looking into attempting to package Unity as well (for the challenge!), but I don't think I could maintain the Unity packages alone. My time is split pretty heavily as it is... I'd love to work with anyone who wants to try to do this again. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On 3 June 2015 at 14:28, Giovanni Panozzo giova...@panozzo.it wrote: Adding Antenore to this thread, the other Remmina developer left on the whole earth :) My small contribution: Remmina can survive without libappindicators. It will fallback to use GtkStatusIcon to show its icon under Xfce/Lxde/Kde (note that GtkStatusIcon is deprecated now, with no alternatives). My original suggestion was intended for Gnome Shell users: link remmina with libappindicators AND also add this extension https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/ The result under Gnome Shell is a very nice system tray menu for remmina. But currently is almost impossible to have a coherent and working on all desktop environment systemtray icon + menu. I started to collect informations on this page: https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/wiki/Systray-menu but it's almost impossible to come to a simple solution. And in our reasoning (this morning!) we discussed also if we should just remove the systray icon+menu. Your opinion on the removal are welcome :) So, feel free to remove libappindicators on fedora: Gnome Shell users which did not install the appindicator extension will not notice any difference without libappindicators. Users of xfce/kde/lxde will get a GtkStatusIcon menu, if the apposite panel applet is loaded. Giovanni Thanks for the explanation! The total absence of any FreeRDP release (i.e. you always need the latest git commit) makes packaging this along with all the other software using FreeRDP a real nightmare. Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
On 3 June 2015 at 12:09, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: If I remember correctly there was a time when people were discussing about bringing Unity in Fedora. This did not happen, and actually the library is pretty useless as there is no libappindicator consumer right now. I'm not sure it's worth investigating. There is consumer - Plasma 5, one of two blocking desktops :). For more info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196343.html So it would be nice to have GTK apps that still offers systray built against it too. Was Remmina the only program built against libappindicator (not sure I got all cases in the repoquery)? libappindicator.so.1: libappindicator-devel-0:12.10.0-8.fc22.x86_64 perl-Gtk2-AppIndicator-0:0.15-5.fc22.x86_64 python-appindicator-0:12.10.0-8.fc22.x86_64 libappindicator3.so.1: libappindicator-gtk3-devel-0:12.10.0-8.fc22.x86_64 remmina-0:1.2.0-0.5.git.b3237e8.fc22.x86_64 uget-0:2.0-1.fc22.x86_64 Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
poma wrote: Oh yeah https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2013-July/msg00203.html That is from 2013 and the it is useless claim is no longer true now that KDE Plasma also requires the new protocol. (Actually, it was never true, because system tray applets using the new protocol also worked better than legacy XEmbed-based ones even in Plasma 4, but in Plasma 5, the new protocol is entirely mandatory.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
Simone Caronni wrote: Was Remmina the only program built against libappindicator (not sure I got all cases in the repoquery)? There is also gnome-rdp (uses it through appindicator-sharp), where upstream made it a mandatory dependency. And your own queries also bring up uget. Unfortunately, that's all, which means my call for action: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196343.html over a year ago (!) has been almost completely ignored all this time. :-( I recommend filing a bug against each and every affected GTK+ application. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
poma wrote: Did I really missed something important in this respect, or in a parallel universe you guys use Unity on Fedora? Indeed, you missed: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/196343.html libappindicator is now (since Fedora 22) also REQUIRED for GTK+ system tray applets to work under KDE Plasma. (Plasma 5 no longer supports the legacy XEmbed-based system tray protocol that the builtin GTK+ classes implement.) Please DO NOT REMOVE libappindicator support from your packages. Instead, actually ADD it where upstream supports it and it is not yet enabled in Fedora. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: virt-manager - libappindicator-gtk3 - remmina
poma wrote: On 03.06.2015 14:28, Giovanni Panozzo wrote: Adding Antenore to this thread, the other Remmina developer left on the whole earth :) My small contribution: Remmina can survive without libappindicators. It will fallback to use GtkStatusIcon to show its icon under Xfce/Lxde/Kde This remark from upstream is unfortunately not true anymore, GtkStatusIcon does NOT work under KDE Plasma 5. (note that GtkStatusIcon is deprecated now, with no alternatives). And for good reason: It supports only an obsolete protocol that some desktop environments phased out (reportedly, Unity also no longer supports it) and that will be entirely unusable under Wayland by design. That said, it is sad that they just deprecated it instead of either adding support for the new protocol to the existing classes or merging the libappindicator classes as a replacement. Yeah, it applies to GTK+ 3: [gtk+] docs: GtkStatusIcon is deprecated since 3.14, not 3.16 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2014-September/msg05639.html So this is another good reason to move off GtkStatusIcon (even if you don't care whether your application works under KDE Plasma). Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
