Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:

 The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:

 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.

What key between Ctrl  Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate 
keyboards with windows keys, so none of the keyboards I use routinely have them.

[1]good requires:
1-function keys grouped on left so that only fingers of one child's (small) 
hand are required to use any combination of function key simultaneously with 
any combination of shift key(s); readily usable purely by touch of an 
experience user
2-standard inverted-T cursor keys with blank above up key and two blanks 
above left and right keys
3-oversize Enter key
4-double width backspace key.
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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Domingo Becker
2011/6/17 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
 On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:

 The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:

 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.

 What key between Ctrl  Alt?

The key that can not be named!

lol

cheers

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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Camilo Mesias
It looks like a hanky or a napkin to me!

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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: 
 On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:
 
  The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:
 
  1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.
 
 What key between Ctrl  Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate 
 keyboards with windows keys, so none of the keyboards I use routinely have 
 them.
 
 [1]good requires:
 1-function keys grouped on left so that only fingers of one child's (small) 
 hand are required to use any combination of function key simultaneously with 
 any combination of shift key(s); readily usable purely by touch of an 
 experience user
 2-standard inverted-T cursor keys with blank above up key and two blanks 
 above left and right keys
 3-oversize Enter key
 4-double width backspace key.

The conditions 2, 3, 4 are still fairly commonly met although it seems
to be harder to get such keyboard recently - at least here.

However I thought that the condition 1 was abandoned when the original
IBM AT keyboards stopped shipping :). But then a short search revealed
this one:
Avant Stellar Keyboard
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=376Itemid=65limit=1limitstart=4

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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Domingo Becker domingobec...@gmail.com wrote:
 What key between Ctrl  Alt?

 The key that can not be named!

It can be named... it's called the Super key.  Well, at least mine
is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-)

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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Jared K. Smith
jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 It can be named... it's called the Super key.  Well, at least mine
 is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-)


That's a bad place for the Fedora logo... just like its a bad place
for the Windows logo.  What is needed is project-neutral label for
that key so that GNOME and other interfaces can start referencing it
in the documentation with having to work about vendor branding.

If only the superman logo were public domain the superman symbol would
be perfect.


-jefPutting branded labels on our keyboard layouts is just dumb. It's
no different than putting the Nike swoosh in place of the N key on
some keyboards or the Starbucks logo on the S key on others.  Branded
logo on the parts of the physical interface make it _more_ difficult
to provide accurate documentation which describes that
interfacespaleta
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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Domingo Becker  wrote:
 2011/6/17 Felix Miata :
 On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:

 The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:

 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.

 What key between Ctrl  Alt?

 The key that can not be named!

 lol


I call it the untouchable. I once heard the world will end if I
pushed that key. I never had the guts to try. Funny thing is, once the
keyboard gets older, that key starts to shine.

Orcan
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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed:

 The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:

 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.

 What key between Ctrl  Alt?

You can also use Alt-F1.
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Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:05:59AM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Jared K. Smith
 jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
  It can be named... it's called the Super key.  Well, at least mine
  is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-)
 
 
 That's a bad place for the Fedora logo... just like its a bad place
 for the Windows logo.  What is needed is project-neutral label for
 that key so that GNOME and other interfaces can start referencing it
 in the documentation with having to work about vendor branding.
 
 If only the superman logo were public domain the superman symbol would
 be perfect.

The key was actually around for a bit before there was a windows logo on
it. It had a small diamond on it.

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