Re: Clipboard Notification
Hi Eric, 2008/4/14 Eric Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When an activity launches it brings up an instance of the notification icon in the activity tray. I'm trying to make it so when someone copies something instead of it popping up the frame for a second it shows a pulsing notification icon in the top left hand corner. I have disabled the frame popping up in frame.py. I am wondering, is it best to implement the notification icon in the clipboardservice.py? Is there any documentation on the NotificationIcon? We have two modules called clipboardservice.py, one inside the shell D-Bus service, and another inside the sugar library (this one wraps the service). None of these modules are a good place to place code that belongs to the shell UI, as conceptually belong to the model (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller). I recommend first to do something similar to what is done in activitiestray.py, just create a NotificationIcon when a ClipboardButton is created. The frame will remove it after some time has passed. NotificationIcon is just a very basic implementation right now. Don't worry if you cannot do everything you'd like yet. And a patch that added some pydocs to that class would be most welcome! If the existing code that uses NotificationIcon is not clear to you, I recommend you to go through the pygtk tutorial first: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html Any help would be appreciated, thanks Hope this was of some use. Please keep asking. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clipboard Notification
in the activity tray. I'm trying to make it so when someone copies something instead of it popping up the frame for a second it shows a pulsing notification icon in the top left hand corner. Just a notethe notification for a clipping is supposed to appear in the lower left corner, not the upper left. Each edge of the Frame is associated with a different corner. - Eben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Collaborative Activity Development
(Excuse the cross-post, but I don't know whether activity authors are on the sugar list, which I presume is the more appropriate list for this topic in future...) I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. If you are developing an activity and have/intend to implement collaboration, my mission is to make that easier through documentation, examples, improved API and general assistance. Please take a look at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Collaboration_Central - a work in progress but it's intended to be a one-stop shop for information on implementing and improving collaboration. This week's Sugar development meeting on IRC (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_dev_meeting#Thursday_April_17_2008_-_17.00_.28UTC.29) will focus on activity collaboration. If you have questions or comments I'd love to discuss them then. Otherwise, catch me on #sugar, or if you have issues that would benefit other activity authors, please send them to the sugar list and we can discuss them there. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clipboard Notification
I am a believer in show notifications where the user is looking, not off in a corner somewhere: When an asynchronous notification occurs, the user should NOT be taken away from what he is doing. Absent a bell, the simplest alert I can think of is to flash the screen once (change its brightness for half a second, then go back to the way it was). That tells the user: a notification has occurred. [It is up to the user, at his convenience, to look for the actual notification.] This is a reasonable idea. I'm happy to investigate it. When a _synchronous_ notification occurs (i.e., 'feedback' to confirm the user's action), such as when an activity is launched, I would like that feedback (unless it takes more than five seconds) to occur right where the user performed the action (e.g., where the cursor was). Indeed so. The launching feedback (probably the thing requiring the most feedback of any action within the UI) hasn't yet been implemented they way we'd like in the new design. We definitely intend to provide strong visual feedback, emphasizing the activity as the closest zoom level by zooming into a large pulsing icon in the center of the screen, on a white background, while the launch progresses. [If there is a notification associated with *putting* something where the Frame would show it, pulse (or temporarily distinguish) whatever is being put. If the user wants to *verify* that the thing is sitting where it was put, *then* let him call up the Frame.] I believe this is actually what we're doing now, right? Every notification icon pulses when it appears and (eventually) will slide in or out of the Frame to strengthen the visual association with a given edge. Thanks for the feedback! - Eben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Clipboard Notification
On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:04, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Personal note: Been running the new look Sugar/Joyride for a while. [It does what you describe when an Activity is launched.] I've now trained myself to notice the pulsing icon in the top left hand corner -- but I think that is an easily-overlooked location (particularly since current notification icons have the same background color as the border in which they sit). I also find the new 'activity launch notification' less than satisfying. Launching an activity is a very distinct action taken by a user, and the current pulsing notification is not enough of an indication of the result. It's also odd if you do happen to have the frame open as you see 2 pulsing icons for the launching activity (one the notification and one in the actual frame). I'd like to suggest, again, that the activity launching metaphor be one where: 1) Kid clicks on activity icon to launch 2) Sugar immediately opens a fullscreen canvas with just the large pulsing icon (i.e a activity zoom view) 3) Canvas is occupied by the activity once it has loaded This provides: - immediate and clear feedback to the kid that an activity is indeed launching - prevents casual/impatient clicks on other activity icons while the first loads - allows access to the frame, and for the kid to switch back to neighbourhood/group/home if needed - if the kid does intentionally switch away, the background activity launch does not suddenly drag them back once complete - the slide out launch notification is not needed, but the pulsing frame activity icon would stay If at some future point we get usable Sugar compositing, a nice zoom animation could be added to the launched activity so that from where ever it was clicked, it scales up and into the centre of the screen and starts to pulse, while the rest of the screen content fades out. Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Clipboard Notification
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:04, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Personal note: Been running the new look Sugar/Joyride for a while. [It does what you describe when an Activity is launched.] I've now trained myself to notice the pulsing icon in the top left hand corner -- but I think that is an easily-overlooked location (particularly since current notification icons have the same background color as the border in which they sit). I also find the new 'activity launch notification' less than satisfying. Launching an activity is a very distinct action taken by a user, and the current pulsing notification is not enough of an indication of the result. It's also odd if you do happen to have the frame open as you see 2 pulsing icons for the launching activity (one the notification and one in the actual frame). I'd like to suggest, again, that the activity launching metaphor be one where: 1) Kid clicks on activity icon to launch 2) Sugar immediately opens a fullscreen canvas with just the large pulsing icon (i.e a activity zoom view) 3) Canvas is occupied by the activity once it has loaded This is in fact the very approach we aim to implement, hopefully in the near future. I'm in agreement with all of the interactions you mention below. The one which may not be trivial to add (though again, I would strongly prefer) is the ability to prevent the launched activity from stealing focus if the user has since switched away, but we'll take things one step at a time. - Eben This provides: - immediate and clear feedback to the kid that an activity is indeed launching - prevents casual/impatient clicks on other activity icons while the first loads - allows access to the frame, and for the kid to switch back to neighbourhood/group/home if needed - if the kid does intentionally switch away, the background activity launch does not suddenly drag them back once complete - the slide out launch notification is not needed, but the pulsing frame activity icon would stay If at some future point we get usable Sugar compositing, a nice zoom animation could be added to the launched activity so that from where ever it was clicked, it scales up and into the centre of the screen and starts to pulse, while the rest of the screen content fades out. Gary ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 65
Morgan, I am one of those people developing activities that make use of collaboration. I'm pleased to see that someone has been charged to make that easier, especially through better documentation. My Activities are Read Etexts and View Slides. Both make use of code adapted from the Read activity, although only Read Etexts has sharing implemented in a released package. It does seem to work. View Slides has sharing code in git, but not released as that code does NOT work at this time. One thing I hope you'll address is the question of setting up a sharing test environment as simply as possible. I have been using Xubuntu with Sugar RPMs on one machine and Sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE 10.2 on another. Both use the Collabora server, and I have a G1G1 laptop pointing to that server as well. The thing is, I don't know if I have Collabora's blessing to use their server for my testing, and even if I did, it is frequently out of service. Ideally I could set up my own server. I do know that just having ejabberd installed from RPMs is not enough. (I tried that and it didn't work). So what is the simplest way for me to have my own sharing environment? Another point I hope you'll address is the code in the Read activity for sharing. It is full of FIXME comments, yet the Wiki recommends its use as sample code. I'm stuck adapting that code for my own Activities as they are variations on the Read activity. Thanks, James Simmons Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:05:38 +0200 From: Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Collaborative Activity Development To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], devel-list Devel@lists.laptop.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (Excuse the cross-post, but I don't know whether activity authors are on the sugar list, which I presume is the more appropriate list for this topic in future...) I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. If you are developing an activity and have/intend to implement collaboration, my mission is to make that easier through documentation, examples, improved API and general assistance. Please take a look at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Collaboration_Central - a work in progress but it's intended to be a one-stop shop for information on implementing and improving collaboration. This week's Sugar development meeting on IRC (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_dev_meeting#Thursday_April_17_2008_-_17.00_.28UTC.29) will focus on activity collaboration. If you have questions or comments I'd love to discuss them then. Otherwise, catch me on #sugar, or if you have issues that would benefit other activity authors, please send them to the sugar list and we can discuss them there. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 65
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan, I am one of those people developing activities that make use of collaboration. I'm pleased to see that someone has been charged to make that easier, especially through better documentation. My Activities are Read Etexts and View Slides. Both make use of code adapted from the Read activity, although only Read Etexts has sharing implemented in a released package. It does seem to work. View Slides has sharing code in git, but not released as that code does NOT work at this time. One thing I hope you'll address is the question of setting up a sharing test environment as simply as possible. I have been using Xubuntu with Sugar RPMs on one machine and Sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE 10.2 on another. Both use the Collabora server, and I have a G1G1 laptop pointing to that server as well. The thing is, I don't know if I have Collabora's blessing to use their server for my testing, and even if I did, it is frequently out of service. Ideally I could set up my own server. I do know that just having ejabberd installed from RPMs is not enough. (I tried that and it didn't work). So what is the simplest way for me to have my own sharing environment? You can easily use salut-based collaboration by running several instances of the xephyr-based emulator like this: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild#Running_multiple_instances Hope it helps, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 65
Interesting. Does the presence information from each instance ever leave the machine's network card? Pol Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan, I am one of those people developing activities that make use of collaboration. I'm pleased to see that someone has been charged to make that easier, especially through better documentation. My Activities are Read Etexts and View Slides. Both make use of code adapted from the Read activity, although only Read Etexts has sharing implemented in a released package. It does seem to work. View Slides has sharing code in git, but not released as that code does NOT work at this time. One thing I hope you'll address is the question of setting up a sharing test environment as simply as possible. I have been using Xubuntu with Sugar RPMs on one machine and Sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE 10.2 on another. Both use the Collabora server, and I have a G1G1 laptop pointing to that server as well. The thing is, I don't know if I have Collabora's blessing to use their server for my testing, and even if I did, it is frequently out of service. Ideally I could set up my own server. I do know that just having ejabberd installed from RPMs is not enough. (I tried that and it didn't work). So what is the simplest way for me to have my own sharing environment? You can easily use salut-based collaboration by running several instances of the xephyr-based emulator like this: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild#Running_multiple_instances Hope it helps, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos Graduate student Viral Communications MIT Media Lab Tel: +1 (617) 459-6058 http://www.mit.edu/~ypod/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Salut based collaboration?
Tomeu, In fact I *have* been running multiple instances of Sugar-jhbuild on the same box for test purposes. This is much more convenient than using two machines, especially since the Xubuntu machine's RPM's are out of date so Read sharing doesn't work at all. I have the two instances as separate menu options in WindowMaker, one called astroboy and the other astrogirl. Sometimes this works just fine. In the neighborhood view they can see each other, as well as several other icons and activities, which I always assumed were developers on the collabora server. Lately the Neighborhood view has been empty; the two instances can only see themselves. Since I have not updated sugar-jhbuild at all since the last time this was working I assumed it was because the server was down. My first instance I launch the normal way, and the second as shown in the document: SUGAR_PROFILE=2 ./sugar-jhbuild run In any case, if I could get the Salut thing working that would be *exactly* the kind of thing that I hope that Morgan would document better. Thanks, James Simmons Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM, James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan, I am one of those people developing activities that make use of collaboration. I'm pleased to see that someone has been charged to make that easier, especially through better documentation. My Activities are Read Etexts and View Slides. Both make use of code adapted from the Read activity, although only Read Etexts has sharing implemented in a released package. It does seem to work. View Slides has sharing code in git, but not released as that code does NOT work at this time. One thing I hope you'll address is the question of setting up a sharing test environment as simply as possible. I have been using Xubuntu with Sugar RPMs on one machine and Sugar-jhbuild on openSUSE 10.2 on another. Both use the Collabora server, and I have a G1G1 laptop pointing to that server as well. The thing is, I don't know if I have Collabora's blessing to use their server for my testing, and even if I did, it is frequently out of service. Ideally I could set up my own server. I do know that just having ejabberd installed from RPMs is not enough. (I tried that and it didn't work). So what is the simplest way for me to have my own sharing environment? You can easily use salut-based collaboration by running several instances of the xephyr-based emulator like this: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild#Running_multiple_instances Hope it helps, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Collaborative Activity Development
Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. This is great! The best thing OLPC could do to improve activity collaboration is to get it working for ordinary programs -- running on the X Window System, or on MacOSX, or Windows. Why doesn't AbiWord already collaborate with Write? Why doesn't Firefox collaborate with Browse? It's the same code base. Tying collaboration to Sugar is a losing strategy. Once the rest of the world figures out that *their* programs should be trivial to collaborate in too, they'll reimplement collaboration (likely in an incompatible way). Then Sugar's collaboration will be an orphan rather than the mainstream. Instead, if OLPC's collaboration code supported cross-platform collaboration, OLPC's model and its implementing code would spread throughout the whole computing infrastructure. And that would bring in a new pile of contributors, enhancing, debugging, and porting it everywhere. Easy collaboration is one of OLPC's key advantages over its competition. Making that a reality for all the kids (and adults) in the world requires a broader vision. Merely debugging what makes Sugar apps fail to collaborate under load, or getting a few more Sugar authors to add collaboration, won't suffice. John PS: If there is a simple way to install a couple of RPM's or DEB's, add a paragraph of code and a few automake macros, and add collaboration to any program written in C or C++, then please document it! (If on the other hand it only works in Python and requires sugar-jhbuild then there's some work to be done.) PPS: This review of AbiWord says: http://www.linux.com/feature/131852 The new AbiWord supposedly offers real-time document collaboration developed for the OLPC project and implemented by means of an experimental plugin. As per the AbiWord-2.6 release notes, there are three implementations of the plugin, one for the OLPC, and two (an XMPP-based one and a pure TCP/IP one) for Linux. The Linux plugins compiled without any issues, but AbiWord couldn't activate them. The plugin isn't currently available for Windows. [abiword.com says the Windows plugin is available on 2.6.2 now. But I never did find the collab plugin, nor any documentation for it. The 2.6.0 release notes imply that the three available collab plugins can't actually interoperate with each other!] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Collaborative Activity Development
yes, this looks like a great start! I'm just getting my feet wet with development (got sugar-jhbuild working today! ;), and was wondering if anyone has had experience, or examples, of software on regular laptop collaborating with an XO? Is this even possible, and if it isn't then is there a way I can help make it happen? It would be great for me (and others!) if I could develop a mac or linux version of an activity and have them talk to its sister app on some XOs Bobby On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:02 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. This is great! The best thing OLPC could do to improve activity collaboration is to get it working for ordinary programs -- running on the X Window System, or on MacOSX, or Windows. Why doesn't AbiWord already collaborate with Write? Why doesn't Firefox collaborate with Browse? It's the same code base. Tying collaboration to Sugar is a losing strategy. Once the rest of the world figures out that *their* programs should be trivial to collaborate in too, they'll reimplement collaboration (likely in an incompatible way). Then Sugar's collaboration will be an orphan rather than the mainstream. Instead, if OLPC's collaboration code supported cross-platform collaboration, OLPC's model and its implementing code would spread throughout the whole computing infrastructure. And that would bring in a new pile of contributors, enhancing, debugging, and porting it everywhere. Easy collaboration is one of OLPC's key advantages over its competition. Making that a reality for all the kids (and adults) in the world requires a broader vision. Merely debugging what makes Sugar apps fail to collaborate under load, or getting a few more Sugar authors to add collaboration, won't suffice. John PS: If there is a simple way to install a couple of RPM's or DEB's, add a paragraph of code and a few automake macros, and add collaboration to any program written in C or C++, then please document it! (If on the other hand it only works in Python and requires sugar-jhbuild then there's some work to be done.) PPS: This review of AbiWord says: http://www.linux.com/feature/131852 The new AbiWord supposedly offers real-time document collaboration developed for the OLPC project and implemented by means of an experimental plugin. As per the AbiWord-2.6 release notes, there are three implementations of the plugin, one for the OLPC, and two (an XMPP-based one and a pure TCP/IP one) for Linux. The Linux plugins compiled without any issues, but AbiWord couldn't activate them. The plugin isn't currently available for Windows. [abiword.com says the Windows plugin is available on 2.6.2 now. But I never did find the collab plugin, nor any documentation for it. The 2.6.0 release notes imply that the three available collab plugins can't actually interoperate with each other!] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Collaborative Activity Development
John, We really would like to get the Sugar UI components running on vanilla Linux desktops, and the apps all interoperating Help greatfully appreciated... - Jim On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 13:02 -0700, John Gilmore wrote: Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. This is great! The best thing OLPC could do to improve activity collaboration is to get it working for ordinary programs -- running on the X Window System, or on MacOSX, or Windows. Why doesn't AbiWord already collaborate with Write? Why doesn't Firefox collaborate with Browse? It's the same code base. Tying collaboration to Sugar is a losing strategy. Once the rest of the world figures out that *their* programs should be trivial to collaborate in too, they'll reimplement collaboration (likely in an incompatible way). Then Sugar's collaboration will be an orphan rather than the mainstream. Instead, if OLPC's collaboration code supported cross-platform collaboration, OLPC's model and its implementing code would spread throughout the whole computing infrastructure. And that would bring in a new pile of contributors, enhancing, debugging, and porting it everywhere. Easy collaboration is one of OLPC's key advantages over its competition. Making that a reality for all the kids (and adults) in the world requires a broader vision. Merely debugging what makes Sugar apps fail to collaborate under load, or getting a few more Sugar authors to add collaboration, won't suffice. John PS: If there is a simple way to install a couple of RPM's or DEB's, add a paragraph of code and a few automake macros, and add collaboration to any program written in C or C++, then please document it! (If on the other hand it only works in Python and requires sugar-jhbuild then there's some work to be done.) PPS: This review of AbiWord says: http://www.linux.com/feature/131852 The new AbiWord supposedly offers real-time document collaboration developed for the OLPC project and implemented by means of an experimental plugin. As per the AbiWord-2.6 release notes, there are three implementations of the plugin, one for the OLPC, and two (an XMPP-based one and a pure TCP/IP one) for Linux. The Linux plugins compiled without any issues, but AbiWord couldn't activate them. The plugin isn't currently available for Windows. [abiword.com says the Windows plugin is available on 2.6.2 now. But I never did find the collab plugin, nor any documentation for it. The 2.6.0 release notes imply that the three available collab plugins can't actually interoperate with each other!] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Collaborative Activity Development
Ar 14/04/2008 am 13:02, ysgrifennodd John Gilmore: Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now working for OLPC, on improving activity collaboration. Tying collaboration to Sugar is a losing strategy. Once the rest of the world figures out that *their* programs should be trivial to collaborate in too, they'll reimplement collaboration (likely in an incompatible way). Then Sugar's collaboration will be an orphan rather than the mainstream. Instead, if OLPC's collaboration code supported cross-platform collaboration, OLPC's model and its implementing code would spread throughout the whole computing infrastructure. And that would bring in a new pile of contributors, enhancing, debugging, and porting it everywhere. I absolutely agree. While most of the OLPC collaboration code will happily work outside Sugar, there are interoperability problems, and I'm not sure what we should do about some of them. I think perhaps we made a mistake in focusing on designing a good API rather than protocols that would be general and easy to reimplement (specifically, I think the discovery protocols are maybe not general enough, and the data transport protocols are maybe too hard to reimplement). That said, I and a number of other people are working on popularising the collaboration software that Collabora developed for Sugar outside Sugar. PS: If there is a simple way to install a couple of RPM's or DEB's, add a paragraph of code and a few automake macros, and add collaboration to any program written in C or C++, then please document it! (If on the other hand it only works in Python and requires sugar-jhbuild then there's some work to be done.) It's not limited to Python, and doesn't require sugar-jhbuild, but our APIs are too complicated. I'm hoping that we can adopt things in the vein of Ben Schwartz's work to provide nice ways for developers to make their applications collaborative. Ideas about how to make our collaboration technology more general and accessible are welcome. PPS: This review of AbiWord says: http://www.linux.com/feature/131852 The new AbiWord supposedly offers real-time document collaboration developed for the OLPC project and implemented by means of an experimental plugin. As per the AbiWord-2.6 release notes, there are three implementations of the plugin, one for the OLPC, and two (an XMPP-based one and a pure TCP/IP one) for Linux. The Linux plugins compiled without any issues, but AbiWord couldn't activate them. The plugin isn't currently available for Windows. [abiword.com says the Windows plugin is available on 2.6.2 now. But I never did find the collab plugin, nor any documentation for it. The 2.6.0 release notes imply that the three available collab plugins can't actually interoperate with each other!] I don't know of any reason why the OLPC plugin shouldn't work on a Linux system, barring perhaps some dependency problems (e.g. new enough version of libdbus). -- Dafydd ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: cat-leases script to join leases files
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attached you'll find a trivial script to concat-and-sort various lease
files. This makes life easier for regional teams that deal with
various shipments.
Usage:
cat-leases.pl */lease.sig all_leases.sig
Ok, the script I posted initially didn't work because the leases file
is in Canonical JSON, not any plain old JSON thing. So here's a python
version using the Canonical JSON libs. I have also attached the
json.py file, which I stole from bitfrost. If you have bitfrost
anywhere in your python path, you won't need this additional json.py .
The usage is the same as above, except that a significant l changes to a y.
cheers,
m
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- ask interesting questions
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#!/usr/bin/python
#
# Usage:
#
# cat-leases.pl */lease.sig all_leases.sig
#
# cat-leases will concatenate and sort the JSON-encoded
# activation leases (for OLPC XOs of the XO-1 series).
#
#
# NOTE: the json we import here is actually
# Canonical JSON reader/writer from the
# bitfrost/util directory.
#
#
# Blame: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# License: GPL v2
#
# if Bitfrost's json.py is in the PYTHONPATH
import json
# if Bitfrost is in the PYTHONPATH
#import bitfrost.util.json as json
import sys
data = {}
# note - we skip the zeroth position
# of argv which has $0
for n in range(1,len(sys.argv)):
fn = sys.argv[n]
file = open(fn, 'r')
fcontent = file.read()
file.close()
# read the data and pull the dict out of the nested
# structure
newdata = json.read(fcontent)
newdata = newdata.pop()
data.update(newdata)
ordereddata = {}
for k in sorted(newdata.keys()):
ordereddata[k] = newdata[k]
json.write_to_file(sys.stdout, [1, ordereddata])
#!/usr/bin/python2.5
Canonical JSON reader/writer.
See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Canonical_JSON for specification.
_selfTest()
All tests passed.
import re, types
##json.py implements a JSON (http://json.org) reader and writer.
##Copyright (C) 2005 Patrick D. Logan
##Contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
##
##This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
##modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
##License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
##version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
##
##This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
##but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
##MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
##Lesser General Public License for more details.
##
##You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public
##License along with this library; if not, write to the Free Software
##Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
##HACKED TO PIECES by C. Scott Ananian, 2007.
##to support canonical JSON format (and only that!)
class _StringGenerator(object):
def __init__(self, string):
self.string = string
self.index = 0 # first unread character
def peek(self):
i = self.index
if i len(self.string):
return self.string[i]
else:
return None
def next(self):
if self.index len(self.string):
c = self.string[self.index]
self.index += 1
return c
else:
raise StopIteration
def read_re(self, regex, group=0):
m = regex.match(self.string, self.index)
if m is None:
raise ReadException(Trying to read %s: '%s' % (regex, self.string[self.index:]))
self.index = m.end()
return m.group(group)
def all(self):
return self.string
class WriteException(Exception):
pass
class ReadException(Exception):
pass
class CJsonReader(object):
hex_digits = {'a': 10,'b': 11,'c': 12,'d': 13,'e': 14,'f':15}
def read(self, s):
self._generator = _StringGenerator(s)
result = self._read()
if self._generator.peek() is not None:
raise ReadException(String incompletely read.)
return result
def _read(self):
peek = self._generator.peek()
if peek is None:
raise ReadException(Nothing to read: '%s' % self._generator.all())
if peek == '{':
return self._readObject()
elif peek == '[':
return self._readArray()
elif peek == '':
return self._readString()
elif peek == '-' or peek.isdigit():
return self._readNumber()
elif peek == 't':
return self._readTrue()
elif peek == 'f':
return self._readFalse()
elif peek == 'n':
return self._readNull()
else:
Re: PEAP Configuration on OLPC
Is this really the best answer we can come up with ? I was serious about having to do this to 1500 machines next week, and hopefully millions in the future... wad On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: You can use about:config in recent builds: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wifi_Connectivity#Proxy_Settings Best, Simon John Watlington wrote: Does anybody know the answer to Where does gecko keep its configuration files ? Thanks, wad Begin forwarded message: From: Motaib Abdel Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:34 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Bentahar Latif; Kerner Marty Subject: RE: PEAP Configuration on OLPC John, With build 650 I was able to configure proxy settings in the user.js file located in /home/olpc/.sugar/default/gecko. I no longer see the gecko directory in the new build. We’d like to automate the proxy configuration and need to know the file where these browser preferences are saved. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: PEAP Configuration on OLPC
In Update.1 the user.js is inside rainbow managed directories and afaik he path is not predictable. You could add the proxy prefs to /usr/share/hulahop/prefs.js (note the use of pref there instead of user_pref). Marco On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:55 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this really the best answer we can come up with ? I was serious about having to do this to 1500 machines next week, and hopefully millions in the future... wad On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: You can use about:config in recent builds: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wifi_Connectivity#Proxy_Settings Best, Simon John Watlington wrote: Does anybody know the answer to Where does gecko keep its configuration files ? Thanks, wad Begin forwarded message: From: Motaib Abdel Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:34 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Bentahar Latif; Kerner Marty Subject: RE: PEAP Configuration on OLPC John, With build 650 I was able to configure proxy settings in the user.js file located in /home/olpc/.sugar/default/gecko. I no longer see the gecko directory in the new build. We'd like to automate the proxy configuration and need to know the file where these browser preferences are saved. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Battery life estimation considered impossible?
In the course of updating[1] sugar/view/devices/battery.py to look like Eben's new design[2], I wasn't able to come up with a satisfactory way to calculate remaining battery life. Can anyone opine as to whether it's possible/feasible right now to estimate number of minutes of battery power remaining? Can anyone do better than my naive algorithm[3]? Martin 1. http://pastebin.be/10499 2. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#06 3. minutes_left = battery_capacity_pct / 0.59. From [1]. The magic constant is about 1.2 pct of battery capacity = 2 minutes of power; this is what I've observed and consistent with other reported capacities I've seen; but of course the approach is fatally flawed. pgpXThNCvwlp6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Battery life estimation considered impossible?
Hi, Can anyone opine as to whether it's possible/feasible right now to estimate number of minutes of battery power remaining? You could look at gnome-power-manager, which performs a principled estimation -- a matrix of previous discharge rate intervals indexed by the charge at the time and the actual average discharge rate during that interval. OHM/suspend complicates everything, though. A neat idea was suggested at the mini-conference: we had the pie view for seeing how much memory each activity was using, and it might be possible to build up (over a long period of time) a view of how much power each activity uses as well. :) - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Clipboard Notification
While trying to create an instance of NotificationIcon() in the _object_added_cb function in clipboardtray.py I couldn't get the path to the icon from the ClipboardIcon() instance because it isn't set until _object_state_changed_cb is called. Is there a way I can get the path to the icon? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Apr 2008, at 15:04, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Personal note: Been running the new look Sugar/Joyride for a while. [It does what you describe when an Activity is launched.] I've now trained myself to notice the pulsing icon in the top left hand corner -- but I think that is an easily-overlooked location (particularly since current notification icons have the same background color as the border in which they sit). I also find the new 'activity launch notification' less than satisfying. Launching an activity is a very distinct action taken by a user, and the current pulsing notification is not enough of an indication of the result. It's also odd if you do happen to have the frame open as you see 2 pulsing icons for the launching activity (one the notification and one in the actual frame). I'd like to suggest, again, that the activity launching metaphor be one where: 1) Kid clicks on activity icon to launch 2) Sugar immediately opens a fullscreen canvas with just the large pulsing icon (i.e a activity zoom view) 3) Canvas is occupied by the activity once it has loaded This is in fact the very approach we aim to implement, hopefully in the near future. I'm in agreement with all of the interactions you mention below. The one which may not be trivial to add (though again, I would strongly prefer) is the ability to prevent the launched activity from stealing focus if the user has since switched away, but we'll take things one step at a time. - Eben This provides: - immediate and clear feedback to the kid that an activity is indeed launching - prevents casual/impatient clicks on other activity icons while the first loads - allows access to the frame, and for the kid to switch back to neighbourhood/group/home if needed - if the kid does intentionally switch away, the background activity launch does not suddenly drag them back once complete - the slide out launch notification is not needed, but the pulsing frame activity icon would stay If at some future point we get usable Sugar compositing, a nice zoom animation could be added to the launched activity so that from where ever it was clicked, it scales up and into the centre of the screen and starts to pulse, while the rest of the screen content fades out. Gary ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: PEAP Configuration on OLPC
Thanks, Marco! Abdel, let us know if this works for you. wad On Apr 14, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: In Update.1 the user.js is inside rainbow managed directories and afaik he path is not predictable. You could add the proxy prefs to /usr/share/hulahop/prefs.js (note the use of pref there instead of user_pref). Marco On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:55 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this really the best answer we can come up with ? I was serious about having to do this to 1500 machines next week, and hopefully millions in the future... wad On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: You can use about:config in recent builds: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wifi_Connectivity#Proxy_Settings Best, Simon John Watlington wrote: Does anybody know the answer to Where does gecko keep its configuration files ? Thanks, wad Begin forwarded message: From: Motaib Abdel Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:34 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Bentahar Latif; Kerner Marty Subject: RE: PEAP Configuration on OLPC John, With build 650 I was able to configure proxy settings in the user.js file located in /home/olpc/.sugar/default/gecko. I no longer see the gecko directory in the new build. We'd like to automate the proxy configuration and need to know the file where these browser preferences are saved. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
fun and games with trying to un-suspend
G1G1, approximately Joyride 1858. No wireless. Have done 'touch /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend' When I pushed the power button briefly, the XO suspended. Wanted to un-suspend the XO. But no matter what I pushed on the keyboard (or front), the power LED lighted up briefly (about three seconds), then went back to indicating 'suspended' (i.e., blinking slowly). The display stayed dark. Finally was able to get the display to light up (and the XO to come back to life) by judicious pressing of the power button. It was hit or miss (with more than 95% miss). Press it too short - back to suspended; press it too long - back to suspended; press it at the wrong instant - back to suspended. Took what seemed a minute (from awakening) for the XO to recognize my (external) USB keyboard again. The whole experience was a bummer. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Dubroy wrote: | On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Another option would be to create a version of Sugar that appeals to |programmers. But I can't imagine creating such a version that wouldn't |require a lot of programming resources. | | So here's another question: are any of the Sugar developers using it | as their desktop shell? I was thinking of giving that try. If all the | Sugar developer were eating their own dogfood, I'll bet you'd get a | programmer-friendly system in a hurry. In fact, I don't see why it | would be considered to be programmer-friendly already -- it's got | terminal and a text editor, what more do you need? ;-) Yes: I take my XO with me to class and take notes in Write. I used to take my Thinkpad with me everywhere; now it never leaves my desk. I run unmodified Joyride builds on my XO, and I find the interface to be both superb and useful. I recently developed the DOSConsole activity solely on the XO itself, not because I was trying to prove any point but because it was the most convenient way. I'm curious to know what your list of missing features and bugs looks like. No: On my desktop I run in Xinerama with two different-sized LCDs. Together, they have about 8 times the area of an XO screen. Sugar will never make sense for that hardware without a serious redesign. On the other hand, running individual activities in windows managed by Metacity would probably work fine. Agreed. | Anyhow, speaking as someone who has only very recently gotten involved | with the project, I can say that the Sugar interface was one of the | most appealing things to me. I'm sure there are other potential | contributors out there who would be attracted for the same reasons. Me too. The project was vaguely interesting until I ran Sugar in Qemu, at which point it became compelling. Nice to hear that, please keep giving your feedback and suggestions. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
