Re: [Sugar-devel] Write moved to git.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 22:35, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, just moved this activity. Will update jhbuild next. You forgot Pootle :( ;-) I gave permissions to a bunch of people, including pootle, can you recheck? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XS 05
Hi to all. Thanks Martin for you answer. We have been trying to install the server via the Kickstart, but that happens when anaconda to start can not do it and the screen turns off. We tried the solution that is in the wiki-press tab and add text and nothing happens. One of the ways that we return to the terminal is pressing Ctrl+Alt+2, then Ctrl+Alt+1. Could be the GPU problem? What can be do in these cases? Is there another way to start the installation? Greetings 2009/1/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Henry Vélez Molina henry.lap...@gmail.com wrote: We have been working on the server and we do the upgrade to version 05, but we have some difficulties. Olpc-scripts folder is not in the path / etc / sysconfig /. Ejabberd service does not exist. Ie service ejabberd start prints that the service do not exists. That is *very* strange. Two suggestions - I think that when the install starts it offers a menu (very early, when the installer is booting). That menu has clouds in the background, and the pre-selected option is installed with kickstart. Maybe you changed the option to install? The correct option to use is the one that mentions kickstart... - 0.5 has some problems that will drive you crazy - those are fixed in 0.5.1 . Skip 0.5 and go for 0.5.1-dev3 which I'm planning to 'bless' today or tomorrow as the official 0.5.1 :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Henry Vélez Molina Administrador de red OLPC Fundación MArina Orth Tel :341 23 59 Móvil: 312 769 0169 www.fundacionmarinaorth.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XS 05
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Henry Vélez Molina henry.lap...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Martin for you answer. No problem! We have been trying to install the server via the Kickstart, but that happens when anaconda to start can not do it and the screen turns off. H, I can think of some possible causes... - your download was corrupt or truncated - check that the sha1sum of the iso is $ sha1sum OLPCXS-0.5.1-dev03-i386.iso eab0fd3596bbfca532eec51eb5e774cb00b25cd8 OLPCXS-0.5.1-dev03-i386.iso - You are hitting a low mem condition while installing the selinux-policies package. How much RAM does the machine have? We tried the solution that is in the wiki-press tab and add text and nothing happens. One of the ways that we return to the terminal is pressing Ctrl+Alt+2, then Ctrl+Alt+1. That can help if the problem is with RAM - I think you need to hit tab earlier -- before the graphical installer starts. There is a very early screen, as soon as the CD or USB stick is read - hit escape *there*... Could be the GPU problem? Very unlikely to be GPU or CPU What can be do in these cases? - Ensure the iso is good (with sha1sum), check memory, try to uyse the text installer. - Installing from USB is a bit less reliable - try with a CD - Try is to install a standard Fedora 9 on the machine - sometimes there are subtle incompatibilities there... Is there another way to start the installation? Not really :-/ keep us posted on your progress so we can help...; m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC vs Fedora packages
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Just thought I'd post my understanding of where the packages are at based on the list that was created at FUDCon For reference see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 Also there's the OLPCDelta tracking bug in RHBZ 462625 for quick tracking of the ones I'm aware of. KOJI packages GConf-dbus - Should be able to untag. I think its also used to reduce the deps on bonobo etc. SDL_mixer - see RHBZ 471623 - Need someone to update if my thoughts are correct. abiword - mostly forked to reduce dependencies on things like printing. Probably will be unnecessary with the next major release as most of the old deps on libgnome libgnomeprint etc should disappear hippo-canvas - From my testing bigboard and mugshot compile OK but I can't really test so it should be mergeable. hulahop - OLPC-4 branch merged (and removed) just waiting for the push to mainline. Push to testing just happened today. So can essentially be removed from this list. initscripts - I seem to remember the main reason was due to rainbow using process number 1 and hence initscripts running as process number 2. JKatz is the one in the know here. olpc-utils - due to olpcupdate not being in Fedora and its dependant on it. sugar-evince - Probably need to get evince split into evince-libs and evince so that sugar-evince can build against evince-libs. Not sure if there's plans to get sugar-evince upstreamed for easy maintenance telepathy* - no idea but its documented well by others :-) totem-* - dependency reduction - I think these can probably mostly go away with the plans to introduce the ability for multiple desktops to run (sugar and something else) as e-d-s will probably be there anyway upstart - I believe its the same as for initscripts (rainbow). This I think is another one for JKatz. I also think there was discussion on fedora-olpc back in Sept/Oct timeframe. JOYRIDE packages libertas-usb8388-firmware - is in Fedora-10 and rawhide already. I thought I'd unlinked the non mainline version as we were shipping the same package in F-10 as we are for 9.1.0 and rawhide has the latest (or near latest) version. I'll also link the RHBZ bugs if there is one near each of the mentioned packages in the wiki. I haven't followed all the discussion, but I believe Python is also forked in joyride with a patch for PySignal_SetWakeupFd, and the regular F10 python with the same release number doesn't have this included. maybe its in testing, didn't get a chance to look there. bobby ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC vs Fedora packages
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 14:25 -0500, Bobby Powers wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Just thought I'd post my understanding of where the packages are at based on the list that was created at FUDCon For reference see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC/Packages_for_F11 I haven't followed all the discussion, but I believe Python is also forked in joyride with a patch for PySignal_SetWakeupFd, and the regular F10 python with the same release number doesn't have this included. maybe its in testing, didn't get a chance to look there. F11 has Python 2.6 which already has it. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: [OLPC Networking] About the note on the wiki.
Rafael Ortiz -- Forwarded message -- From: Marc Mauri Alloza marcmauriall...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM Subject: [OLPC Networking] About the note on the wiki. To: network...@lists.laptop.org I've seen that OLPC has some tourble and that they are findong a way to reduce tho costs in networking. I don't know what way are you using to connect every school around the world but in Spain exist a community called Guifi.net that is building a open wi-fi network arround our country at low cost, I say low compared with other commercial alternatives. Guifi.net has a great caracteristic that is all network is managed by the users using a great webb app to assing IP's draw maps of the network and create new nodes an Access Points, I don't know if it information will solve you some problems but I think that the Guifi.net cmunnity will be proud of it work if you use it to build free and open network arroun developing world. A simple user of Guifi.net Free and Open network. For more informatione please visit http://guifi.net/en in inglish. The page is also available in sapnish and catalan. To read the Wireless Commons, the coinditions that has to accept everybody that wants to do free and open networks visit http://guifi.net/WCL_EN ___ Networking mailing list network...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/networking ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 17 January 2009
Hello community Who was there: Bob, Florencia, Uli, Gustav, Alastair, Edward, Tabitha, Brenda, Callum (and a couple of random people who asked us questions and got their 2yo kid to play with tamtam mini) Socialcalc-1: Simple Mesh connection. 3 XOs - appear in the frame but typing is not sharing. So far testing of functions works - formatting, basic formulas. We took photos if you need them. Formulas - tested max, min, average, sum, okay. Today function works. Help has a good start. Graph not working properly yet? Highlight range of cells but just get the last cell highlighted as a bar. Learned some more from lots of us playing and eventually got a bar graph. Yeah! So we found you have to NOT include the labels. Also found bar graph is not to scale. We were impressed that it could graph a row of data or a column of data, and would like to see it recognise two columns in the future, maybe even comparing data. We are hoping next time we test this that we can get a pie graph - we like pie. Then maybe line graph after that? Eventually we worked out how to add labels, but it was a bit complicated. Sort was hard work - too many steps to the process. Need to make it clearer that there is a button to push, or hide other menu options. Major and minor sort both work. Would be good if you see only first part of sort question then only second part of sort question, not both at the same time especially as it remembers the last sort you did. Maybe even just changing the sort button to the end rather than in the middle, and maybe make it say sort now or something. Massive delay in entering text into the cell, move to the next cell and wait wait wait. We are happy to test this again when sharing is possible. Saves to journal and can get data back. Awesome. Gaming keys do stuff - cool. Square key takes you to A1, great. Rotate - 90 and 270 chops off half the tool bars and does not fit to frame. Rotate 180 is great for upside down work. :-) Black and white mode works. Sound not applicable. Gnubook GNU book reader has the following problems; Default zoom is too low, all images are loaded at once (problems for bandwidth, traffic costs). Needs an way to scroll to next half (or third) of a given page. A simple way to copy a book around would be nice. Something to indicate that images are not being loaded by default would be good. A way to interpolate text only pages would be good for speed/traffic/storage. Also, a bookmark, and index/contents that can skip to a given page would be good. Additional: The evince based PDF ebook reader (aka. Reader) is way too memory intensive for large books. Either a different technology (HTML? Mobipocket), or something where the pages are only rendered one at a time, rather than caching the render of everything in memory in advance. Also; the interface for downloading, and saving books to the local disk is horribly horribly confusing. Food Force II Tested on 4 XOs. Bit slow and sometimes crashes, but not sure why. Took us a while to work out that without books no one goes to school... how do we put XOs in the school? Without medicine the hospital does not work. A tutorial would be great - like etoys tutorial please. The music on one XO is jittery. Clean reboot twice it still does jittery sound. When we buy and sell resources but the numbers are meaningless to us. Farm setup - It would be cool to have a drag pie graph that allows you to choose what percentage of rice, veges and beans you want to plant. Houses - have to setup one house at a time, would like bulk build (could even add a cheaper to build in bulk component). Facilities were shutting down due to lack of resources but running so slow we could not buy resources quick enough. TamTamMini Smashing of multiple keys (as expected of 2 year old) results in speaker overload and distortion. Pulling apart XOs. We learned how to pull apart and put back together five XOs today. Great learning for us so we can refurbish and replace bits. Great for non hardware people in the group to fill in some gaps in our knowledge. We were all happy when we put them back together with no left over screws! Another successful day. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS 05
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Henry Vélez Molina henry.lap...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Martin for you answer. No problem! We have been trying to install the server via the Kickstart, but that happens when anaconda to start can not do it and the screen turns off. H, I can think of some possible causes... - your download was corrupt or truncated - check that the sha1sum of the iso is $ sha1sum OLPCXS-0.5.1-dev03-i386.iso eab0fd3596bbfca532eec51eb5e774cb00b25cd8 OLPCXS-0.5.1-dev03-i386.iso - You are hitting a low mem condition while installing the selinux-policies package. How much RAM does the machine have? We tried the solution that is in the wiki-press tab and add text and nothing happens. One of the ways that we return to the terminal is pressing Ctrl+Alt+2, then Ctrl+Alt+1. That can help if the problem is with RAM - I think you need to hit tab earlier -- before the graphical installer starts. There is a very early screen, as soon as the CD or USB stick is read - hit escape *there*... Could be the GPU problem? Very unlikely to be GPU or CPU What can be do in these cases? - Ensure the iso is good (with sha1sum), check memory, try to uyse the text installer. - Installing from USB is a bit less reliable - try with a CD - Try is to install a standard Fedora 9 on the machine - sometimes there are subtle incompatibilities there... Is there another way to start the installation? Not really :-/ keep us posted on your progress so we can help...; m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] A video explaining the XS and educational content
In between the million things David Leeming is doing for the deployments in the pacific, he's found the time to shoot and narrate a video explaining how the XS is used, and how digital content can be served from it. The context to the video is the wider work being done by OLPC Oceania - as explained here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Oceania/Content#School_Server the video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8ciP7C2zs the production is simple - a handheld camera, a couple of computers. The narration clear and measured. The content, fantastic. For me at least it is incredibly interesting to see how it's being used in the field. Thanks David! martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Browsing school server
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:00 AM, David Leeming leem...@pipolfastaem.gov.sb wrote: With version 0.4 and 0.5.0 I was able to browse the server html folders, i.e. the default for the link on the XO browser to Local School Server with 0.4 took you to /var/www/html With version 0.5, the default page is /var/www/moodle/web/auth/olpcxs/who.php That's because it's taking you to Moodle, and you're getting authenticated there. The actual default page is /var/www/moodle/web/index.php ... which re-directs you to the authentication facility. Once we have the single-sign-on stuff sorted, it will be transparent, and you won't see the 'who.php' page. With version 0.5-0 I was able to add this link to the who.php page: href=/var/www/html/content/index.html and get to the folders of browse-able content as before. hmm - there is a better place to put the link - that 'who.php' page is not really the right place... With 0.5-1 it does not seem to work; unless I have made some stupid mistake, I have reinstalled it twice but it reports on the XO browser: Not found: The requested URL /var/www/html/content/index.html was not found on this server. That is very weird. Maybe moodle didn't get installed correctly? Which 0.5.1 candidate did you install? I suppose one could create up a course on Moodle for each of those folders but it's not always the most convenient way to do it. There is an moodle-based way to do it... it will be easy once Moodle is better configured, for now it's a bit awkward... 1 - Log in as the 'admin' user to moodle - you will find the password in /etc/moodle/ . The actions you need to do should be doable by any account with course creator rights but I haven't set this correctly up yet. So using the 'admin' account is a workaround during the 0.5 series :-/ 2 - We are going to put the files under the 'site files' -- that is, they will be managed just like files belonging to a course, but they are available to any user because they belong to the site course, a magical course within moodle. In simple terms, evertything you see in Moodle's homepage 'belongs to a course'... this special 'site course'. 3 - If you have lots of files, you get the unenviable task of uploading them all - not fun. If you can use SSH / SCP or put the CD on the actual school server, you can use the commandline to put them in /var/lib/moodle/ , in the directory that belongs to the site course - usually named 1. Again, this is a temporary - and ugly - workaround. Moodle *can* do WebDAV, which makes life _so_ much easier... So that's the workflow. Ugly and kludgy. There is an alternative you can also use - less moodle-centric, and may be unsupported going forward 1 - create a new directory: /var/www/mylocalcontent , put your files there 2 - add a new apache config file in /etc/httpd/conf.d - in that file, you need an Alias line, and a Directory section. I think it needsto be something like Alias /mylocalcontent /var/www/mylocalcontent Directory /var/www/mylocalcontent order allow,deny allow all /Directory 3 - Edit the moodle header include to add a link to that content - look in /var/www/moodle/web/themes/xo/header.html 4 - Optional: enable the apache-based webdav extension, so you can manage this content via WebDAV. This will require quite a bit of configuration... but if you add/remove/edit content frequently, can be worthwhile... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Browsing school server
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: There is an alternative you can also use - less moodle-centric, and may be unsupported going forward 1 - create a new directory: /var/www/mylocalcontent , put your files there 2 - add a new apache config file in /etc/httpd/conf.d - in that file, you need an Alias line, and a Directory section. I think it needsto be something like Alias /mylocalcontent /var/www/mylocalcontent Directory /var/www/mylocalcontent order allow,deny allow all /Directory 3 - Edit the moodle header include to add a link to that content - look in /var/www/moodle/web/themes/xo/header.html Since, at least for now, we're not going to be using moodle in Birmingham yet, I renamed /etc/httpd/conf.d/010-make-moodle-default.conf to /etc/httpd/conf.d/010-make-moodle-default.conf.orig and then /var/www/html/ went back to the way it was as in XS 0.4. In fact, on my test server, I have /var/www/html on a separate partition on another physical drive, so it only took an fstab edit to put the web content back. Anna Schoolfield Birmingham ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Browsing school server
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Since, at least for now, we're not going to be using moodle in Birmingham yet, I renamed you break my heart with that, but it's a valid workaround :-) I'm very sorry, Martin, but I hope you understand the reasoning behind the decision. Aside from the teacher training issues regarding content creation and management, we're just not prepared to address the very serious potential for disciplinary issues surrounding the current login authentication method. The current moodle scenario might work within a small, trusting environment, but when I'm looking at schools with between 100-600 students, there's no way we can keep kids from making mischief via other logins, either accidentally or intentionally. I just don't want the electronic version of a kid writing teacher is a dummy on the blackboard, and the current moodle configuration allows the troublemaker to do so under another kid's name. Or delete each other's homework or any number of pranks we've yet to imagine. Don't get me wrong - I think Moodle is a very exciting project, and I'm looking forward to implementing it in the future, but not right now. That's why I had to find a workaround to host web content in the traditional fashion. Anna Schoolfield Birmingham ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Browsing school server
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry, Martin, but I hope you understand the reasoning behind the decision. I was part-joking, didn't mean to make you feel back... it turns out I did undestand in general terms why; but your email is very valuable in terms of expanding on the shortcomings I need to work on. Thanks! Our moodle situatuion is nowhere near where I want it to be. Time's gone into infrastucture/OS work, the regularly scheduled crises and whatnot. But we're getting closer. The moodle in 0.5.x is clearly a proof-of-concept, and as you say, not usable in real life. Now, let me work a bit on that... ;-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
