Re: Re: C\C++ SDL
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 01:21:29PM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Somebody like me with poor Linux skills finds the installation of
packages quite daunting though I am capable of writing some (fairly
trivial) C programs.
It's not a Linux skill, but a Fedora skill. Other Linux distributions
handle this in a different manner, and for those distributions I would
say it is easier to install an IDE than use it to write a C program.
I suspect your experience in writing C programs has distorted your
ability to properly perceive the difficulty experienced by a completely
naive user. It seems to me that yum install packagename should be
much easier than
#include stdio.h
main() { printf(hello world\n);
It might be worthwhile providing a C IDE as an XO bundle at ASLO. It
doesn't need to be Sugarised, like the Gnumeric Sugar launcher, and
could keep its non-sugar menus and file system.
I don't think this would be practical. I've no idea if Sugar Labs would
like to do it. The time would be better spent making the task easier
for a naive Fedora user.
--
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/
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Re: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] New F14-arm build os36 - Sugar in sync, device-tree!
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 03:44:09PM +0100, Niels de Vos wrote: = There is a new schedulear/timer patch from Lennert -- mystery minutes-long hangs should be gone for real now. Do you have any references like a git-commit or discussion on a mailinglist for this? I'd like to match this with some other ARM hardware (non/OLPC) issues I have seen. I submitted it upstream here: http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=131223859020216w=2 http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=131223860820224w=2 http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=131223862820251w=2 http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=131223864920268w=2 cheers, Lennert ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files
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RE: C\C++ SDL
i know C++ is hard but i find python inefficient and not widely used on the other hand i guess C++ is used by nearly everyone and kids everywhere should know C++ not python as C++ improves the brain :) a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming I'm really new to this free S/W thing and this is the first time i use mailing lists and I've never improved any Open Source projects so some help with that would be appreciated teaching kids python is good because it is quite easy i know some python but not a lot and if you need any help just tell me (how to help :) ) Thank you, Ahmed Mustafa Nematallah Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:33:19 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: devel@lists.laptop.org I think is unreal compare C/C++ difficult with Python. And we have a lot of work to do to improve our tolls to enable kids to program with Python. But is a free software project you can work in this of course :) Gonzalo 2011/8/7 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Hi i think OLPC should support programming in C\C++ i'm sure many students can learn to program C++\C and SDL on XO laptops if you need i can start some simple tuts on SDL and C++ for the OLPC and i can try to help port an IDE for C\C++\Python\etc too another thing i think AMDs new fusion processors can help make XOs better as they are quite cheap, consume less power (and give less heat) and also they dont need a northbridge as they contain the Graphics chip and memory controller Thank you, Ahmed Mustafa Nematallah ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: b...@freudenbergs.de Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 20:37:30 +0200 CC: devel@lists.laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com On 07.08.2011, at 20:02, mustafa nematallah wrote: Hi i think OLPC should support programming in C\C++ You can write Sugar activities in any language that has D-Bus and X11 bindings: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Low-level_Activity_API What else do you think OLPC should do to support C or C++? i'm sure many students can learn to program C++\C and SDL on XO laptops if you need i can start some simple tuts on SDL and C++ for the OLPC and i can try to help port an IDE for C\C++\Python\etc too another thing i think AMDs new fusion processors can help make XOs better as they are quite cheap, consume less power (and give less heat) and also they dont need a northbridge as they contain the Graphics chip and memory controller OLPC is currently working on the ARM-based XO-1.75, using much less power than Fusion: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-1.75 - Bert - i mean an IDE and stuff and does it totally support SDL and i haven't had access to an XO but i'm trying to get Sugar on virtualbox i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory controllers or not ??? i'm quite new you know ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: C\C++ SDL
mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes learning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes learning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: All, There is a widely held belief that Pootle takes care of updating the POT files in git and updating the Templates on Poolte. This is not entirely accurate. The fact is that there is nothing in the Pootle code itself that does this automatically. This automagical updating used to occur, but it was handled by scripts that Sayamindu had created to make it occur. These scripts have not been functioning for some time, probably since the last Pootle upgrade. We will look at re-establishing this functionality in conjunction with an upcoming upgrade of the Pootle version, but for now, if a developer makes UI string changes it is necessary for them to regenerate the POT file and commit it to git and then notify the Translation Team (me) to pull the changes up to Pootle with a Template Upgrade from VCS where they can then be distributed to languages with an Update from templates. In order to catch up and establish a solid baseline for the upcoming 0.94 Sugar release, we have been asking activity maintainers to refresh and recommit their POT files. The follow list describes those completed and those that still need a refresh. If you are a maintainer of an activity on the needs refresh list, please regenerate the POT and commit it to git. Aleksey is going to work on putting hooks into git to regernerate the POT when UI changes have been made, so this request for maintainers to stay on top of POT recommits may be obsolete soon, cjl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: C\C++ SDL
mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes learning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
(fwd) kernel branch change
sent this to the wrong list... i wrote: Date:Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:07:50 EDT To: techt...@laptop.org From:Paul Fox p...@laptop.org Subject: kernel branch change to be sure everyone's now on the same page: kernel development for 1.75 has moved from the olpc-3.0 repo to the olpc-kernel repo. the branchname remains the same: arm-3.0 the olpc-3.0 repo has been made inaccessible to prevent further commits. (lennert's last commit (on behalf of james: Trivial fix to olpc-ec-1.75 messages for readability of dmesg) has been cherry-picked to its new home.) i think this makes the move to the olpc-kernel repo complete as far as any current continuing kernel development is concerned. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes learning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: C\C++ SDL
Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending, like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened. We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html to see the tickets pending by activity. If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made. Is this useful for you? Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :) Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul g t; To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes l e arning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... Thank you Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending, like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened. We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html to see the tickets pending by activity. If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made. Is this useful for you? Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :) Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul g t; To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes l e arning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: C\C++ SDL
Is very difficult to know what you know and what not, what environment do you have, and what yo want to do. If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page and tell us what are your plans. We can help you, but you must do the right questions http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... Thank you -- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending, like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened. We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html to see the tickets pending by activity. If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made. Is this useful for you? Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :) Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul g t; To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes l e arning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool than support for more computer languages. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: C\C++ SDL
It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so we'll get to know you better. You wrote: i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory controllers or not ??? No, not really. A memory controller is included. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: All, There is a widely held belief that Pootle takes care of updating the POT files in git and updating the Templates on Poolte. This is not entirely accurate. The fact is that there is nothing in the Pootle code itself that does this automatically. This automagical updating used to occur, but it was handled by scripts that Sayamindu had created to make it occur. These scripts have not been functioning for some time, probably since the last Pootle upgrade. We will look at re-establishing this functionality in conjunction with an upcoming upgrade of the Pootle version, but for now, if a developer makes UI string changes it is necessary for them to regenerate the POT file and commit it to git and then notify the Translation Team (me) to pull the changes up to Pootle with a Template Upgrade from VCS where they can then be distributed to languages with an Update from templates. That might be too messy.. ie, if pootle was handling this sort of things in auto mode, then, for sometime, all activity devs need to take care on theirs own, then pootle will back to processing in auto mode.. It sounds more problematically especially for honey (fructose is more centralized but even there we might have problems with in-time .pot updates). What about handling these .pot updates out-of-pootle and do not bother activity devs? If you give me a list of repos (I guess some kind of pootle config), I can setup regular .pot updates for git repos. -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so we'll get to know you better. OK so is this irony or are you the first guy to understand me here You wrote: i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory controllers or not ??? No, not really. A memory controller is included. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: C\C++ SDL
well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming i am not an expert but i'd like to start I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB) i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you with my e-mails) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Is very difficult to know what you know and what not, what environment do you have, and what yo want to do. If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page and tell us what are your plans. We can help you, but you must do the right questions http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... Thank you Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending, like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened. We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html to see the tickets pending by activity. If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made. Is this useful for you? Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :) Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul g t; To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 mustafa wrote: a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be great so kids can learn programming contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with computing, is one small part of an education that includes l e arning to read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or biology, or..., or..., or... the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as Activities, and as others have said, more languages
Re: C\C++ SDL
mustafa wrote: well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming i am not an expert but i'd like to start I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB) i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you with my e-mails) mustafa -- we really do welcome you, and hope you can find a way to contribute. this is a very big mailing list, and the OLPC and Sugar projects are very big projects. we're suggesting that you should help us help you, by asking specific questions about specific tasks that you might be interested in working on. that will work better than asking hundreds of people how you can help, when we don't know anything about your interests. (and remember, you didn't start by asking questions at all -- you started by announcing that we need to support more programming languages.) paul Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Is very difficult to know what you know and what not, what environment do you have, and what yo want to do. If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page and tell us what are your plans. We can help you, but you must do the right questions http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... Thank you Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: gonz...@laptop.org To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending, like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened. We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html to see the tickets pending by activity. If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made. Is this useful for you? Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :) Gonzalo 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL From: p...@laptop.org CC: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 mustafa wrote: Hi well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, etc. please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring to. i'm sure you can find more information on them on your own. and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. and we can do both things just some people can improve physics things while others increase support for programming languages you seem to feel that increased support for programming education on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being a troll. paul g
Re: Devel Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
D,xq devel-requ...@lists.laptop.org wrote: Send Devel mailing list submissions to devel@lists.laptop.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to devel-requ...@lists.laptop.org You can reach the person managing the list at devel-ow...@lists.laptop.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Devel digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: C\C++ SDL (James Cameron) 2. Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files (Aleksey Lim) 3. RE: C\C++ SDL (mustafa nematallah) 4. RE: C\C++ SDL (mustafa nematallah) 5. Re: C\C++ SDL (Paul Fox) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:43:28 +1000 From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org To: mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: C\C++ SDL Message-ID: 20110808214328.gd...@us.netrek.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so we'll get to know you better. You wrote: i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory controllers or not ??? No, not really. A memory controller is included. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:52:58 + From: Aleksey Lim alsr...@activitycentral.org To: Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Sugar-dev Devel sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files Message-ID: 20110808095258.GB21677@antilopa-gnu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: All, There is a widely held belief that Pootle takes care of updating the POT files in git and updating the Templates on Poolte. This is not entirely accurate. The fact is that there is nothing in the Pootle code itself that does this automatically. This automagical updating used to occur, but it was handled by scripts that Sayamindu had created to make it occur. These scripts have not been functioning for some time, probably since the last Pootle upgrade. We will look at re-establishing this functionality in conjunction with an upcoming upgrade of the Pootle version, but for now, if a developer makes UI string changes it is necessary for them to regenerate the POT file and commit it to git and then notify the Translation Team (me) to pull the changes up to Pootle with a Template Upgrade from VCS where they can then be distributed to languages with an Update from templates. That might be too messy.. ie, if pootle was handling this sort of things in auto mode, then, for sometime, all activity devs need to take care on theirs own, then pootle will back to processing in auto mode.. It sounds more problematically especially for honey (fructose is more centralized but even there we might have problems with in-time .pot updates). What about handling these .pot updates out-of-pootle and do not bother activity devs? If you give me a list of repos (I guess some kind of pootle config), I can setup regular .pot updates for git repos. -- Aleksey -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:52:59 +0200 From: mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com To: qu...@laptop.org, devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: RE: C\C++ SDL Message-ID: blu151-w2859ae6a1ef4f6deb94975ee...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so we'll get to know you better. OK so is this irony or are you the first guy to understand me here You wrote: i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory controllers or not ??? No, not really. A memory controller is included. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/attachments/20110809/bf243677/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:57:33 +0200 From: mustafa nematallah ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com To: gonz...@laptop.org, devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: RE: C\C++ SDL Message-ID: blu151-w6182b5336093a7624f9e8dee...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming i am not an expert but i'd like to start I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB) i still haven't
