Thank you and an update on the New Zealand XO-4 deployment
This week Barry Vercoe, Nicoletta Rata-Skudder and I had the pleasure of spending three days with the first New Zealand school to purchase XO laptops for their students. This school is also the first XO-4 touchscreen deployment (I think in the world??). I wanted to publicly thank all the people who worked so hard to help ensure this deployment had a successful start, including the deployment being able to be in Maori, the preferred language for this school. Thanks to CJL for his endless support in making this happen, and for all his continuing help as we work towards a sustainable translation team. Thank you to Walter for helping with the keyboard issues. We hope to test your new keyboard preference in a future build. For those reading this email without knowing about the New Zealand deployment, we needed some changes to allow Macrons on vowels to be in single characters. We found the combining macron available in the standard keyboard was problematic. The laptops are being used with first year students (five year olds) with a teacher who has completed the One Education teacher training provided by One Laptop per Child Australia. There are other teachers within the school also working through this training to help them prepare to deploy XO-4 laptops in their classes. The students in her class had access to XO-1.75 laptops for two weeks prior to the arrival of XO-4 laptops. There are a few bugs in the build that we have identified since deployment, and a few activities that the students would really like to see available for XO-4, but overall a successful launch. The school is using xo-system 1a build 49 which is acquired from download.laptop.org.au and we customised it using Jerry's tinycore linux based customisation system. Many thanks to Jerry Vonau and James Cameron for producing this and helping us use it. This customisation meant we could have the laptops first start up in Maori and the children saw Maori language from the very first screen (where you put in your name/ingoa). We also bundled the following activities that the teacher had access to on the XO-1.75 during training (if the activity started on XO-4) - Cartoon builder, eToys, Get Books, Infoslicer, Maze, Story builder, the full Tam tam suite, Turtle machine and Typing Turtle. The teacher has asked us to investigate the jigsaw puzzle and slider puzzle activities for XO-4 as some children had made puzzles with their photos from Record on the XO-1.75 and enjoyed these activities. We noticed some performance issues with Record (the screen would freeze at times while they were preparing to take the photo) and we also could not get Undo to work in Write activity in the classroom. We will test these further and file bug reports when we know more. Thanks to DSD for the quick fix on the Browse performance issues. On leaving the school, the students were quickly gaining confidence in using the touchscreen as well as the touchpad, taking photos in Record and putting them in Write as part of story writing, and using the Paint activity. They were excited at every opportunity to use the XOs and were exploring all the activities with great enthusiasm. Thanks to all the others who also helped along the way. OLPC builds and deployments are a community effort, and we thank everyone involved. Please know that your efforts, advice and guidance has been worth the sharing, and this school is now enjoying their teaching and learning experiences with XO-4 laptops in the classroom. Thank you! Tabitha and Tom ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Copying contents of Journal to transfer from XO-1.75 to XO-4
Hi We are swapping out a classroom of XO-1.75s to XO-4s (known as XO-Duos in Australia I think). Is there a way of taking the majority of the contents of the Journal from XO-1.75 onto USB and then putting it into the Journal of the XO-4s? I am not too concerned with getting all the data, but would like to at least get sound, video and images they have created, as well as Write files. Would be great if we can also get Turtleart projects and other activity output, so would appreciate any suggestions that people have. I am familiar with drag and drop the file from the Journal to the USB icon, but that is one file at a time, so hoping there is another way. We are planning on installing XO-system 1a (build 49) from Australia. We are assuming the XO-1.75s have an old Australian build on them but don't have these details. We'll be at the school Monday-Wednesday NZ time so hoping for suggestions or instructions within this timeframe. Thank you Tabitha New Zealand ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Auckland Testing Summary 18 May 2013
paint- can’t choose font when using text boxes with trackpad or touchscreen maybe due to wear the menu drops down, bold and italic works Can you explain a little more what the problem is? Gonzalo In Paint activity there is a text box tool. You use it to add text to your picture. You should be able to choose the font for the text, but when you click the font option you get a drop down menu quite far to the right of where the font button is. It is not possible to change the font, it seems to ignore your clicks and your screen touches. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing Summary - Auckland 13 October 2012
Auckland Testing Summary 13 October 2012 Who: Alana, Fabiana, John, Oliver, Tabitha and Tom Rosella: XO-1.5 One Education OS 1.2 (build au248), Firmware Q3C09 with first language Maori and second language English (Great Britain) Moon failed to start, but works if you change the language back to English, log file attached for failed to start case Firefox froze when you press the stop button Tam Tam Mini was mostly translated but the category names (percussion, animal etc for the instruments) were not Record photos and videos worked fine Clock does not speak the time but otherwise works. Changing to English fixes the talking clock. Note that the Days of the week were not translated, but everything else was. Log attached. Screencast encoding was very slow. No translation. Saves to journal. Attempting to play from the journal launches jukebox but the video doesn't play Physics works Numbers works Speak has an english accent and doesn't understand the macrons. The robot greeting I'm a robot alice... has been translated but the robot converses in english otherwise. Ivy: XO-1.5 One Education OS 1.2 (build au248), Firmware Q3C07 in English Maze, Memorize, Speak, Moon, Clock, Physics, Arithmetic, Implode, Tam Tam Mini all worked Turtle Machine: Three people (including a neuroscientist and a primary school teacher and a teacher of teachers) all got stuck at level 9 and couldn't get past it. Our school teacher suggests that once you complete a shape you should get told the name but we're not sure what to do when the shapes don't really have names. We also think there should be some sort of hint or help facility. It would also be good to skip a level if you get stuck on it but maybe this is cheating. You don't actually have to do very much for the first levels because all you have to do is click on the number and it auto-advances to the correct value (it jumps values, 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,12,30) and choose one angle less than what is already selected. Perhaps these should be type-in boxes where you have to choose the right angle? Eventually (7 hours later on revisiting the activity) we found there was a library of shapes created that we could reuse. Both One Education builds ask for the users age when you first start the laptop but you cannot enter an age with the keyboard, you have to use the clickers or the arrow keys. XO-1.75 running One Education OS 1.2 (build au48) Moon, Implode, Memorize, Numbers, Slider Puzzle, Dimensions, Clock all work Jigsaw was unusably slow when dragging pieces Screencast stops recording after one second and doesn't save anything in the journal (but it says it does) The vmeta drivers won't load on this XO as they are for a different architecture. Is there any other way to get hardware accelerated video playback working? XO-4 running 13.1.0 for XO-1.4 (build 5), firmware Q7B01 Startup sound has a raspy quality, pressing reasonably hard on the right hand speaker grille seems to make it much better. This laptop didn't shut down properly (perhaps because the shutdown screen isn't always correctly understood) and stayed on in the bag. It doesn't seem to have suffered from this. Touchscreen has an offset which makes using it quite difficult. Is there any further protection for the screen planned? It doesn't feel as robust to impact as any tablet I've used, and the matt finish looks like it might collect scratches. There is a slight misalignment between the game key holes and the game keys. This doesn't seem to stop them working. The front panel finish is glossy with faint tool marks, while the finish on the rest of the laptop is textured. The rotate button doesn't do anything Write works Get Books works but doesn't show icon as being coloured after you use it Read works Wikipedia didn't load any pages, it looked like it started to progress but it didn't Maze works Browse works but clicking in the dark areas of the scroll bar causes the screen to scroll to that absolute position rather than one screenful up or down. Thanks testers powerlogs.tar.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data tv.alterna.Clock-1.log.bz2.bz Description: Binary data com.garycmartin.Moon-1.log.bz2.bz Description: Binary data ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS rebase review
On 8 February 2012 11:58, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: Moodle - seemed to fail on first boot, worked on second. Using moodle-xs-1.9.5.xs2-1.xs11.noarch. Need to dig further. Which moodle branch should I be working with? Hi Martin I have likely missed some previous discussions, but are we moving to Moodle 2.x or staying with Moodle 1.9.x on XS? How important is it to stay current with moodle.org releases? The oldest option is 1.9.11 on http://tracker.moodle.org when we report any bugs with Moodle 1.9.x. I did have a quick look at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/School_server and the pages linked from there. Also, looks like the PaintWeb project not quite made it into Moodle 2 yet. I looked in moodle.org discussions, tracker, and database of modules and plugins, and most up-to-date information was on http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-20124 as far as I could see. Always thought this would be a great addition for young children. Thanks Tabitha ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Result of test activities on Sugar 0.94.1
On 20 January 2012 00:49, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: I will certainly be using the i18n / L10n information to investigate the possibility of soliciting more PO files for the Honey project by pestering developers about i18n. I hope someone has posted about this to the testing list as I suspect our friends in the New Zealand testing crew would find such a spreadsheet useful in their own work, http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing Hi cjl New Zealand are following this conversation ;-) Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Potential volunteer offering technical writing
On 20 October 2011 11:21, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: not sure what the exact time difference is between San Francisco and NZ but maybe we could set up a Skype call between Rachel, you, and us in SF to coordinate our documentation efforts? Cheers, Christoph We meet on Saturday mornings at 11am NZ time (that is Friday 3pm in San Francisco) for olpc/sugar testing and we are on IRC #sugar #olpc and a bunch of other related freenode channels. We can also be on skype (tabitharoder). If we are a little bit late, don't worry (probably the baby is requiring my attention) as we won't be long. We are at testing usually until around 2pm, or later depending how much testing we have to do (and how well the baby is coping). Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Potential volunteer offering technical writing
On 4 October 2011 16:18, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: And the FLOSS Manuals feed into the Help Activity, so work there pays of many times over... So how do we feed the FLOSS manual into the Help activity? Rachel is keen to help, but keen to see her work on the XO. Is the FLOSS - help activity process documented anywhere? I don't think we are able to help with improving the i10n process or the activity build process, but we can help with the (english) words themselves. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Memorize - use scenario
We have been seeing lots of changes to Memorize and some things are a bit confusing. I was thinking that it might help to write some scenarios for how you might use Memorize. So here goes... In class on Monday the teacher says each student is to make a Memorize game to help learn the elements of the periodic table. Two students meet at another students house. They decide to play the game they made about the periodic table. They each have different games so they collaborate and play all three games. On Tuesday in class the teacher says they should each make a Memorize game that just looks at a set of elements based on whether they are metals or nonmetals. In doing this task they can edit the existing game or they can create a new game. They are then asked to share their games so they can practice different sets. On Wednesday the teacher says they should each make a Memorize game that just looks at solids or gases. They are told they should make sure they save the game from Tuesday so they will have a bigger set of games to play later. On Thursday and Friday they are given time to share and play the games they have been creating with their classmates. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing Summary: 27 August 2011 - Auckland, New Zealand
Testing Summary: 27 August 2011 - Auckland, New Zealand We have two new XOs! These need names as we're currently referring to them by the unwieldy membrane keyboard XO-1.75 and clicky keyboard XO-1.75 which are also only unique within our group. They arrived earlier this week and we've fooled around with them all week. They differ from the XO-1.5 in that they have an ARM processor (so most or all of the peripherals are different too) and an accelerometer. The ARM processor is a big change and there are lots of bugs. Testing build 41 customised on XO-1.75 B1 prototypes. Memorize - could play the three preloaded games but no sound played, could create/save/play a game using our own words (no pictures or sound). Could not write the spanish macron tilde things in our english-spanish game. Took apart our clicky keyboard XO-1.75 to test the touchpad by swapping with that in Tank, one of our XO-1.5s. The jumpy mouse problem described in #11171 followed the touchpad -- the old touchpad from our XO-1.5 works perfectly on the new XO-1.75 and the new touchpad continues to jump on our old XO-1.5. The new touchpad has a blue circuit board and a different design to that in Tank. We plan to swap a good touch pad into our clicky keyboard base so we have a working clicky keyboard XO but will wait a while for a resolution to this problem as taking everything apart for is quite arduous. Ruler - all functions appear to be working. Checked accuracy with a ruler on the Nexus One and they look the same (though that is two electronic measuring devices, but we didn't have a physical ruler with us). Finance - all functions appear to work. It is frustrating that when you swap between views from the eye to the dollar bill it doesn't put the user into Register mode if they are in Budget or Chart mode. The user ends up stuck until they figure out they have to click Register before clicking on the dollar bill if they want to add/edit the credits and debits. Typing Turtle - works. Would be good to have a progress indicator to show how much time you have left when popping balloons. Labyrinth - seemed to work Clock - works except no sound on talking clock Record - only shows audio option, but not working Speak - ABC works! Volume low, tried to change with the frame volume control but it just reverts back to lowest possible sound level (tried many times). Opened Terminal and typed alsamixer. Get the message This sound device does not have any controls. Can't use function keys as directed on the screen, also tried on an XO-1.5 but couldn't use function keys, tried using fn key. Maze - failed to start, log is empty Browse - failed to start, log shows ... from sugar ._sugarext import address entry importerror: cannot import name addressentry ... Played with the new Acer Iconia tablet running Android 3 and decided it was better than the ipad 2. Nice layout with a search recent applications similar to the Mac dock thing downloads folder. Smooth finger zooming on maps. Nice notifications features, even see them in the bottom task panel/bar before you unlock. You can have a mini calendar view on the frontpage which is useful. It has a USB A host port and doesn't require computer or a credit card for activation. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New prototype XO-1.75s in Auckland, New Zealand
We have just today received 2 of the XO-1.75 prototype B1 without touch screen. They arrived with a serial adaptor for updating the firmware. The documentation is a bit chaotic so it's hard to work out what build and firmware should be on it. We spent the first few hours testing on an old build with old firmware thinking we had updated to the latest. We now have build 36 customised Sugar 0.92.4 and firmware Q4B07 (note that the firmware doesn't appear in the about my computer but does appear on pressing escape during startup). One has the membrane keyboard and the other has clicky keys The clicky keys are very cramped, especially in the bottom right hand corner, and will take a while to learn to type on (though probably fine for smaller hands). Not sure how the gear button could operate with the clicky keyboard as it seems when you push it, the whole key is pressed, not just the gear end, but the shift alt v combination does bring up view source. The alternative key glyphs don't work yet. The frame key has moved from top right corner to f6 - a problem for the membrane keyboard as the key pictures don't match. The touchpad lets you tap the pad so you don't have to click with the button to select. The microphone and camera don't work yet. In testing the speakers we found the sound to be scratchy like there are buffer issues. They boot faster than the XO-1.5 but the activities don't appear to load faster, in fact lots fail to start (e.g. physics wont start). The activities that fail to start seem to need native libraries -- we see lots of missing shared object error messages in the logs. Thanks for sending us these to test. We'll watch for any testing requests as well as continuing to try things ourselves. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Software Freedom Day 17 September 2011
Hi Sugar and olpc world What are people doing to celebrate Software Freedom Day this year? We are having an event in our city (Auckland, NZ) and are planning to show the XOs and if I can get some USBs then give out Sugar on a Stick. I am hoping to find a good printer to get some posters done. Anyone else doing anything? Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning specialist and olpc volunteer Cell +64 21 482229 tabi...@tabitha.net.nz http://tabitharoder.wordpress.com/ Winner: NZ Open Source Contributor Award 2010 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Pulse Sensor: an Open Source Heart-rate Sensor that Rocks by Yury Gitman — Kickstarter
On 20 July 2011 15:07, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1342192419/pulse-sensor-an-open-source-heart-rate-sensor-that Can't see where they publish their code so asked them on their blog. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] OLPC-AU release candidate RC3 (au867)
Hi Andrew We will be testing au867 http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/10.1.3/xo-1.5/RC3/. If you want to join us virtually, we (Auckland testing) meet Saturdays at 11am (well, 11:30am by the time we set up) NZ time. We are on IRC freenode and could test together communicating on #olpc-au if you like. Kind regards Tabitha Roder Cell +64 21 482229 tabi...@tabitha.net.nz On 8 July 2011 11:25, Andrew van der Stock vande...@gmail.com wrote: Are you going to have a test day for this image? I'm working in Melbourne CBD now, and although I have XO-1's, I'd be happy to help test the image if you're going to have a day I can come in and bash away at the things that I know bug me about some of the trial builds. thanks, Andrew On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:14 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 06:07:12PM -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: Need to use what the download url is in redmine, this should be correct: https://dev.laptop.org.au/projects/xo-au-usb/repository/revisions/delta/raw/key/delta.zip Thanks. Looks neat, well done. Please upstream any useful stuff. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Testing mailing list test...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC-AU] OLPC-AU revised release candidate
Sorry we could not test this as it wasn't available in time this morning. Tabitha On Jul 2, 2011 7:53 AM, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote: Hi all: Please do not use RC1, there was a typo that broke some the customizations in the build. If you downloaded it I'm sorry for wasting your bandwidth, there is a new image on the way soon[1]. There is one additional feature to be tested: * Firefox is remembering passwords [801] Thanks for testing Jerry [1]http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/10.1.3/xo-1.5/RC2/ On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:39 +1000, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: The release notes, including links to the changes, is online at https://dev.laptop.org.au/projects/xo-au/wiki/1013-au3_release_notes Some things that have changed (with their issues numbers in our system) that we need testing are: * flashing is faster with our sparse build [#594] * Browse activity [#654] * Speak activity with english_rp voice [#718] * Screencast activity [#692] * gnome-screenshot in GNOME [#563] * gtk-recordmysesktop in GNOME [#564] * camorama in GNOME [#558] * Firefox now loads with the OLPC Library as the home page [#555] Thanks, Sridhar Sridhar Dhanapalan Technical Manager One Laptop per Child Australia M: +61 425 239 701 E: srid...@laptop.org.au A: G.P.O. Box 731 Sydney, NSW 2001 W: www.laptop.org.au On 1 July 2011 08:43, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote: Hi All: This is to announce that we may have a Release Candidate with the latest OLPC-AU build for the XO-1.5 featuring sparse file support[1], is now available for testing[2]. This build has q3a65 firmware in the payload, so you might get an upgrade if your firmware is not up to that level. The upload is in progress, please be patient. Thanks for testing, Jerry [1]http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Quozl/fs-update-skip-unused-blocks [2]http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/10.1.3/xo-1.5/RC1 ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ OLPC-AU mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-au ___ OLPC-AU mailing list olpc...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-au ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Suggestion about feature in sin-dientes activity
2011/3/9 Yader Velásquez yajo...@gmail.com My problem is: How to allow only the teachers to customize the list words, and deny this feature to the regulars students? I use the FileChooserWidget for select a file with the new list, but is not a good idea that a child can do it. I don't understand why the children can't write the word lists. I play a hangman type of game with my niece (she is 10) and I write words for her to guess and she writes words for me to guess. The more we play the better she gets at choosing more difficult words. If the students are writing their own word lists they can put in words which are relevant to what they are learning and words they find important to the topic, giving valuable insight to the teacher on the students understanding of the topic. I get students to write collaborative glossaries in courses too rather than giving the students the words and definitions because I believe part of grasping understanding of the topic is identifying key words and their meaning given the context of the topic. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] !! in 10.1.3, setting languages property clears all activities
Hi Tim Reposting to the olpc devel list who might be better positioned to answer your question. Good luck! Tabitha On 29 January 2011 04:36, Timothy Falconer tee...@waveplace.org wrote: Hi folks, I'm done in Haiti, about to prep 120 laptops. Normally we use our handy-dandy prep script. One line is now giving grief in 10.1.3: sugar-control-panel -s language Kreyol/Haiti Seems there is no longer a language property. So I look and find a languages property. I do a get on it, and yes, it's English/USA. Seems the right thing. So I: sugar-control-panel -s languages Kreyol/Haiti And after restarting, ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES ARE GONE. Can anyone confirm this or give me guidance. How can I set the language in a bash script in 10.1.3? We're doing this work today, so please respond ASAP. Thanks, Tim -- Timothy Falconer Waveplace Foundation http://waveplace.org + 1 610 797 3100 x33 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] Assistance with Setting up the School Server
Do u mean as student, teacher or admin? Connect to the XS network via wifi or LAN. It should give u an IP address and route your traffic. Type schoolserver into browser URL. You are now connected. If you want non XOs to have accounts you have to create them using the admin login (refer wiki for instructions to get admin password ) or naybe using the first XO to register (they are course Creator so I think they have rights). On moodle home page use users in admin menu to add new users. Tabitha On 26 Nov 2010 04:13, HALL,Brian C brian.hal...@uwimona.edu.jm wrote: One more thing how do i connect to the School Server from a non XO machine? Like from a regular laptop or PC. Regards, Brian Hall From: server-devel-boun...@lists.laptop.org [ server-devel-boun...@lists.laptop.org] On Behalf Of HALL,Brian C [ brian.hal...@uwimona.edu.jm] Sent: 25 November 2010 10:08 To: Sameer Verma Cc: ANTOINE,Alexander I; server-devel@lists.laptop.org; MILLER,Kevin J Subject: Re: [Server-devel] Assistance with Setting up the School Server Sameer, Thanks i have now set the set the domain name. Its for a basic school hence i use the name providence.org The is only one network card on the server. I realise that we may have to acquire an external wireless card/adapter in order for the XO's to communicate with the server. Is there a recommended external wireless card/adapter that you can recommend? Thanks in advance, Brian From: sv3...@gmail.com [sv3...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sameer Verma [ sve...@sfsu.edu] Sent: 24 November 2010 17:39 To: HALL,Brian C Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org; ANTOINE,Alexander I; MILLER,Kevin J Subject: Re: [Server-devel] Assistance with Setting up the School Server On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:54 PM, HALL,Brian C brian.hal...@uwimona.edu.jm wrote: Hey guys, Iam new to setting up the school server. So far I have downloaded and installed the ISO unto a dell optiplex 240. It picks up the eth0 but iam not sure what next to do in order for it to work. What else should I do? I remember seeing someone being able to access the school server from another machine and it wasn’t an XO. I also know that apache is running but iam not able to connect to it. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Brian Hall Systems Administrator Mona School Of Business University Of The West Indies Mona Kingston 7 Phone # 977-6035 ext 362 ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel Hi Brian, How many network cards do you have on this machine? Will the XS be talking to the Internet? The next step is to run the config. Look at domain_config on this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software#Setting_hostname_and_domain cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: Contents of Devel Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12
From: Chris Ball c...@laptop.org Subject: XO-1.75 progress That's going to take several months, but we wanted you to know that it will be coming. Thanks! - Chris, on behalf of the OLPC Engineering team. Thanks Chris for giving us an update on XO-1.75 progress and keeping us in the loop; very much appreciated. As information is shared, hopefully the community can offer useful feedback and will be prepared to assist in their relevant ways when the time comes. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Contents of Devel Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14
http://tabitharoder.wordpress.com/ No, but an XO-1.75 that uses half the power and therefore provides twice the battery life is an XO that is now available to many children who don't have the electrons to use XO-1.5 machines, or for whom a 4-hour battery life is inadequate but an 8-hour battery life would be quite useful. +1 for increase in battery, would be great to have the XO last the whole school day so just charge it at night and don't need to charge during class (which could be considered disruptive). Significant improvement. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] Moodle courses
I just heard that there was a request for Moodle courses for the schoolserver - I used http://samplecourses.moodleinschools.org.nz/ and http://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=15 to get sample courses - Solar system, plants, anatomy courses. You can use guest access on moodle.org but I recommend you create a login if you are using XS as there are great forums on moodle.org that you can ask questions in. Moodle.org ran cool courses competition to gather courses for people to use - http://coolcourses.moodle.org/ - so this is also a good resource Tabitha Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning specialist and olpc volunteer tabi...@tabitha.net.nz Cell +64 21 482229 http://tabitharoder.wordpress.com/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Edit/audit wikipedia activity
On 22 October 2010 05:06, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: we are getting interesting news of not-quite-good content in Wikipedia content included in the Wikipedia activities. Schools wiki is quite good as it has images as well as text on 5000 pages of curriculum (British) appropriate content. This could be a good place to start Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Test request time
Hello world It is late Thursday night here in NZ so it is the time of the week I start looking for what we should download Friday and test in NZ on Saturday morning. Are there any test requests from anyone out there? I am assuming we are starting with a Sugar 0.90 test of some sort... I see some new releases - Sliderule-22, Physics-7, Turtle Blocks-100, Jukebox-20 and Numbers-3. Should we test these and is there anything in particular (other than the changes described in the release notes) you are looking for feedback on? I was hoping that Wordgroupz would be ready for testing but I haven't seen that yet. We still have to try out creating our own images for Visual Match, and test eToys on Sugar 0.90 too. The Australians have a new XO-1.5 build they want tested... Anything else? Thanks world Tabitha olpc NZ volunteer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] spectacular new XO-1.5 disassembly guides
Just sharing this pdf file of Dissecting an XO 1.5 created by Peter Domanski who just been introduced to XO. I put the links on disassembly page of wiki. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Joining the QA Teams
On 1 October 2010 10:44, Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.org wrote: Hello; I'm Samuel Greenfeld, and I started work in September as a Lead QA Engineer for the OLPC Association. I am based out of the Miami, Florida OLPC office, where Martin Langhoff also works. I am currently the primary (and only) QA tester hired by the OLPC Association. James Cameron will continue to be the System Test Coordinator for the OLPC Foundation. Nice to meet you Samuel and congratulations. I am a volunteer in New Zealand and we have a community of volunteer testers here in Auckland and in Wellington who you might get to know in the coming months. We can test for olpc (XO-1.0s, XO-1.5s) or Sugar (Macs and a variety of netbooks), and can test with School Server (though limited wifi hardware testing capability). Please feel free to ask us for support and testing. Looking forward to getting to know you. Kind regards Tabitha Roder NZ based volunteer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] backups
On 12/08/2010, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting! I think Journal backup to the school server has been a feature since XS 0.4 and Release 8.2, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Blueprints:Datastore_Simple_Backup_and_Restore , and that's what your picture shows. I assume you're referring to the recent Sugar work (I think http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-June/025094.html that has added backup to locally-attached volumes. We just upgraded half the Samoan deployment using this feature to restore their work. They were on 8.2.0 (build 767) so I wrote a backup script which simply makes a tar file on the usb: #! /bin/sh SERIAL=`cat /ofw/serial-number` BACKUP=`dirname $0`/backup mkdir -p $BACKUP/$SERIAL cd /home/olpc/.sugar/default tar -czf $BACKUP/$SERIAL/datastore.tar.gz datastore echo backed up journal to $BACKUP/$SERIAL/datastore.tar.gz Put that file on a usb stick, insert into the XO and run the script (when doing a mass upgrade, ctrl-alt-neighbourhood gets to a terminal quickly). The tar file on the usb contains the whole journal. The dextrose restore will load it, but there is a bug if you are coming from early builds, see http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2149 and an additional bug which I haven't reported yet (migration fails if an entry in in the source journal doesn't have a preview). Migration isn't perfect, but record photos and write documents survive fine. If you want to restore to a different xo, change the serial number of the tar file. You should be able to restore manually if your destination build doesn't have a restore feature, just replace the datastore directory with the one in the backup and ctrl-alt-erase restart (I'm not sure how safe this is, the running system may try to write to the old journal during the shutdown, migration happens on startup). Tom ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] Recommend build for XO-1.0 deployment
On 02/08/2010, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Tabitha, check to see if the deployment can use unlocked laptops; and if the policy is acceptable, we can assist with use of Collection stick and unlocking. We have already collected the spares at the ministry with a collection stick. Getting the details of all the laptops back to olpc will be a little challenging -- limited internet access on the island where the schools are. We will know more about access on Wed. (The laptops can be unlocked by the user within 24 hours by following the processes that OLPC made available ... Can we confirm that it really will take 24 hours. There is the potential for a 4 hour round trip to deliver the collection stick data and again to check for the result. The wiki said it could take a couple of days. Thanks for the help. Hopefully access is better than we fear. -- Kind regards Tabitha Roder ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] Recommend build for XO-1.0 deployment
Thanks James. These are part of a Pacific region donation pool of 5000. We will have to see what happens. Our advice to future deployments is to do the dev key request thing before the laptops leave for the schools, even if they aren't loaded into the laptops. Thanks. On 03/08/2010, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 07:45:59AM +, Tabitha Roder wrote: On 02/08/2010, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Tabitha, check to see if the deployment can use unlocked laptops; and if the policy is acceptable, we can assist with use of Collection stick and unlocking. We have already collected the spares at the ministry with a collection stick. Getting the details of all the laptops back to olpc will be a little challenging -- limited internet access on the island where the schools are. We will know more about access on Wed. Understood. (The laptops can be unlocked by the user within 24 hours by following the processes that OLPC made available ... Can we confirm that it really will take 24 hours. There is the potential for a 4 hour round trip to deliver the collection stick data and again to check for the result. The wiki said it could take a couple of days. No, we can't confirm that without knowing either the serial numbers or the method by which the batch was ordered. We talked about it in engineering team earlier today, and there are some deployments who requested more than the 24-hours delay when they made their order. I don't have (nor do I need) access to the ordering systems, but I do talk with the people at OLPC who know how to handle the developer key process. ;-} Once you have the laptops.dat file from the collection stick process, follow the usual next step of e-mail to help at laptop.org indicating you want developer keys. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning specialist and olpc volunteer tabi...@tabitha.net.nz Cell +64 21 482229 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Recommend build for XO-1.0 deployment
We are in Samoa helping out at two small deployments. We are installing a school server and wifi at each school. They are running 8.2.1 on XO-1 hardware (G1G1 donation). We have been running this build on our laptops and it feels like a big step down from the sugar 0.84 and bernies's 0.88 builds we have been testing recently. Does anyone have a build they would recommend? I believe the laptops are locked, so it will have to be signed. I'm running a newer build on one of our XOs and browse can't do http basic authentication to configure the access points :-( I think it is os300 (but that XO isn't with me right now). Drop cc: on mailing lists that dont belong please. Thanks for your help Tabitha and Tom ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] Server performance feedback and testing suggestions
On 01/08/2010, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: OK, well we have set it up to run 24/7 with the timer override, allowing teachers to set the timer to auto if need be (but then they will have the daily task of manually switching it on, that can get neglected in my experience, especially as the servers are in locked rooms, with the daily hassle of finding keys etc. Sounds a minor issue but in practice it is best to have the system as automated as possible). There should be an option in the bios to turn on when power is applied. Our Samoan EEEBoxes have off, onand last state (where it turns on if it was on when power was lost). Then you can use your timer to automatically turn it on. -- Kind regards Tabitha Roder (actually it's Tom here) ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] Recommend build for XO-1.0 deployment
We are in Samoa helping out at two small deployments. We are installing a school server and wifi at each school. They are running 8.2.1 on XO-1 hardware (G1G1 donation). We have been running this build on our laptops and it feels like a big step down from the sugar 0.84 and bernies's 0.88 builds we have been testing recently. Does anyone have a build they would recommend? I believe the laptops are locked, so it will have to be signed. I'm running a newer build on one of our XOs and browse can't do http basic authentication to configure the access points :-( I think it is os300 (but that XO isn't with me right now). Drop cc: on mailing lists that dont belong please. Thanks for your help Tabitha and Tom ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [Fwd: Turn Editing On missing and joining multiple courses]
From: David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com To: 'XS Devel' server-devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:52:08 +1000 Subject: [Server-devel] Turn Editing On missing and joining multiple courses In our PNG deployment and elsewhere I am finding with Moodle that when the initial administrator XO creates additional course creators, the “Turn Editing On” button does not appear on the new Course Creator XOs, although you can see all the site admin functions. For example, I have used Admin 1 XO (the first one to register) to make Admin 2 XO a system course creator and a front page course creator. But no “Turn Editing On” appears. I don't know exactly the role setup for Moodle on XS, but it may be that they have slightly different roles; do they appear at the same level in Users - permissions - assign system roles? I just tested - I am logged in as site administrator (I mean Moodle role administrator at system level) on one computer and have just assigned another XO as course creator at system level. The new system course creator XO does have a turn editing on button. Tested adding another XO as a front page course creator and this XO does not get a turn editing on button. I then tested assigning the XO as a front page teacher and now they do get the turn editing on button. Secondly, we have set up courses for each of six classes and are joining the 250 students and their teachers to them as “teachers” and “students”. The teachers have been made “Front Page teachers” but not been given any system roles (otherwise they appear in all the courses). We want to allow teachers to collaborate between each other as well, so I am thinking of creating a “Teachers” course. I have not enough experience with Moodle to know what to expect – will there be any “cross over” issues (the best way I can describe it) if teachers A and B are members of the Grade 3A and 4B courses respectively, and then also both as members of “Teachers”. The PNG teachers can be in a course called teachers and assigned as any role you want. I think the front page thing might be what is confusing things for PNG. Moodle is hierarchical - system roles beat course roles which beat resource/activity object roles. Moodle considers the front page to be a course, so system role would beat it. PNG Teachers are not system level teachers so you can make them students in a course. Who is the teacher role assigned to for the teacher course? The principal maybe? Continuing this train of thought - it is perfectly okay to make a student a teacher of a course. e.g. You can have a year 6 student the teacher of the year 4 maths course if you want. Just don't do it at system level, stick to course level. I would not set system level roles for anyone except the person(s) who will adminstrate Moodle after you leave. Two people is good in case one person leaves. Tabitha ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] Fwd: Journal and Google
posting on behalf -- Forwarded message -- From: Jan Zawadzki jan.zawad...@hapara.com Date: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:15 AM Subject: [Server-devel] Journal and Google To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org There are API's for working with Google Docs, that's not the problem. We can do the sync with the XS in the middle - so rsync to XS, and native Google API's to Google. Challenge is in syncing up the individual machines directly to Google Docs without the storage being replicated on the XS. The underlying assumption is that replication uses rsync - which we can't use easily in the Google land without proxies, etc. Jan -- Hapara ● Google Solutions For Your Enterprise PO Box 106485 Auckland New Zealand P: +64 4 499 5343 M: +64-27-209-1718 www.hapara.com Twitter: @hapara_team http://twitter.com/hapara_team ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Battery LED flashing
We plugged in an XO-1.0 with an unknown state LiFePO4 battery (may have been fully discharged a week before, or may have been shut down properly) and the battery LED flashed instead of coming on solid like charging normally does. The battery information in /sys indicated low battery voltage (5.something) but otherwise good health and charging state. We tried the battery in a different XO-1.0 and the same behaviour resulted. We left it plugged in overnight and it appears to have charged normally and the battery now runs the laptop (when it was doing the flashing charge, the laptop would switch off immediately when you unplug the charger). http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_management#Battery_LED indicates flashing on charge means trickle charging. Sadly we didn't find this page when it was happening so cannot fully confirm it was flashing orange and with the 4 blinks, pause pattern. This page also doesn't give any clues as to why a battery might be trickle charging. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification#Battery suggests that the battery has a Maxim DS2756 http://wiki.laptop.org/images/e/e9/DS2756.pdfchip in it, but this chip only monitors one cell, so I guess there are two such chips? The /sys interface only gives information about the whole battery, it doesn't tell you about the state of each cell. The specification pdf on the Hardware_specification page describes the Embedded Controller interface to the operating system in terms of Battery, not Cell so I guess it doesn't expose each cell either? Is it possible to see each cell's voltage separately from within the operating system or the open firmware? I guess if there is no other way, it wouldn't be terribly hard to program a microcontroller to talk to the cell monitors over the 1 wire bus. Kind regards Tabitha Roder ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Inventing games in python
Useful website: http://inventwithpython.com/ It was recommended by Nat Torkington so worthy of sharing the link. It has links for downloading Python installer for multiple operating systems as well as the book as .pdf or web page. Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 12 December 2009 Wellington, NZ
Testing summary - 12 December 2009 Wellington, NZ Who: Tabitha, Alastair, Grant Updated 5 XO 1.5 machines and 4 XO 1.0 machines. On XO 1.5s the open firmware help is unhelpful. The new fs-update command for reflashing the XO is not described in the help and the old flash-nand command which no longer works is listed. On all XO 1.5s we updated to OS54 wifi does not work (except on 1 of 5 machines showed wireless connections for about 20 seconds then gone) although we now realise there is OS56 so maybe we need to just update again. Foodforce2-4: didn't work on the eee running Ubuntu based Sugar. On XO 1.5 machine the mouse arrow flickers. Scrolling land map should be disabled when pop up boxes are displayed and when you are trying to press current objective button. Believe it or not, the XO 1.0 is nicer to use with FoodforceII than the XO 1.5 machine as it has no mouse arrow flicker and is smooth. On both XO 1.0 and XO 1.5 the buttons are not that responsive. There was a weird message from the helper guy (in the conversation after finishing the first level) that says I will leave you the responsibility of the village for the next 3 months while I go out for your cousin sister wedding - that could do with a grammar check. The medicine resource should say medicine but says medicines. Second level difficulty is impossible (think it is the clicking things 5 times to get a response that makes this impossible). The current objective box doesnt stay on screen long enough to read when there is a lot of text. We do love the improvements though in the GUI so keep up the good work :-) Some small people played with some XOs, found first choice was Speak. We worked on our LCA2010 workshop presentation for January 2010 as well as discussed the Open Day and our OLPC XO stall as well as Sugar stall. We discussed how we will manage test requests in the future. Loaded some in dev.laptop.org and assigned to me as a trial of this way of managing the test requests. Thanks Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 08:36 +, Peter Robinson wrote: You could use the current Fedora 11 Gnome LiveCD to install that and sugar is only around 20-30 meg on top of the standard gnome desktop and it will give you the same version of sugar but you'll probably get better hardware support for the 701. You can also do the same with the Fedora 12 Beta which works very well on the 701 and get the 0.86 release of sugar. Once you have sugar installed you can easily remove the gnome desktop or leave there as a second option. Noting that I rely on technical assistance being an educator not a techie, the moment it got harder than insert USB and follow easy GUI install guide, my helper came along. Here is his response: having had a less than stellar experience with SOAS fedora, and my most recent previous experience of redhat involved choosing between RPM hell, red carpet (which would screw your system), yum (which would screw your system, or apt-get (which would screw your system in ways you didn't think were possible), I thought I'd stay with what I know and use ubuntu (I know, that redhat package management stuff is ancient history and yum seems to work fine now, I only mention it to illustrate that I last used redhat in the dark ages, a kind soul on irc told me that yum won that battle) the netbook remix seems to be working well on the eee, although I only used it for about an 10 minutes before handing off to the 9 year old The guys at https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam are apparently actively working to package sugar for ubuntu, so I'll try that out next time ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: first play with new XO 1.5 machines
Hi Paul many keys only work intermittently on some of these XOs. particularly - frame key and the key next to it, search key, function key, hand keys, divide/multiply key. is this reproducible in the OFW diagnostics? (test /keyboard) we did diagnostics check, they intermittently don't work Thanks Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines
2009/10/21 Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org: /boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number. no such file or directory ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] first play with new XO 1.5 machines
No mesh: Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5 XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story and then have the other children join in to write together. How does the teacher do this - in less than 100 words and not one word technical Will the new solution with 0.842 or 0.846 make this possible without any requirement for server or some external network or some special setup that the teacher cant do themselves with no effort and technical help? Some deployments in pacific are very small and dont have help available. I was shocked to find that I could not do this as this is what I considered central to Sugar - creating together, learning together. I really hope that we see this getting easier for teachers. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
first play with new XO 1.5 machines
Testing 5 of the new XO 1.5 machines - our first experiences... hardware seems more responsive great touch pad - can feel edges and has tap click on touch pad so you dont have to push the button, we like it video card issues with on screen animations - e.g. frame gives flickers on boot the display is a mass of colours - some kind of video driver fault many keys only work intermittently on some of these XOs. particularly - frame key and the key next to it, search key, function key, hand keys, divide/multiply key. no mesh network showing in neighbourhood, could connect to our home wifi and browse internet, intermittently can see other XOs here (once we took out jabber.sugarlabs.org from network settings in my settings) the new record activity has no camera, only audio! camera issues... video for linux working but doesnt like what it finds, a driver issue? doesnt know about the camera? tried looking for it, lspci, lshal, lsmod, no luck question - why is there a /media/boot in the frame next to the battery indicator and volume indicator, we took it apart and found there was a 4GB micro SD card for nonvolatile storage and think 8GB SD RAM? so upgradeable? more testing to come, will keep everyone informed Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Continuation of testing XO 1.5 machine
tested install activity from browse - installed geoquiz-4 successfully from wiki.laptop and started game successfully tried installing foodforce2-beta.xo from code.google.com - failed, gave file in journal but not activity can download foodforce2-1.xo from activities.sugarlabs.org and does succesfully run ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: first play with new XO 1.5 machines
Thanks James Boot animation corruption I also observed on os30, but not on os32. You didn't mention which build you were using. OLPC release 11 Leonidas Sugar 0.84.2 Firmware Q3A11 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: olpc-nz Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4
Forwarding message: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:03:50 +1200 From: Vik Olliver v...@catalyst.net.nz Subject: [olpc-nz] OLPC Drives RepRap now To: olpc...@lists.laptop.org Message-ID: 4aa6c6b6.6050...@catalyst.net.nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At long last I have code to drive a RepRap using an OLPC. It's just a couple of command line utilities written in C that can generate gcode and dump it to the serial port. The next release of the RepRap hardware should be capable of running off a car battery for 16 hrs - should be in beta in a couple of months. Currently it costs 5x what an OLPC does, but we'll try and improve on that. It looks like we're rapidly converging on a 3D printer that will be usable in developing countries. Vik :v) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: Testing summary - 22 August 2009 Wellington, NZ
Who: Alastair, Tabitha, Tom, Dave, Carl, Brenda, Callum, Tim, Grant, Becs Testing the new Sugar OS5 on XO hardware. Found the MESH does not work at all, cannot see Mesh1,6,11 only see olpc-mesh that we could not use, also the mesh icons show up as regular networks rather than the mesh target icon. Connected via shared internet through macbook with aircard, found that most XOs cannot see each other when all connected via macbook, though they can access interwebs. Testing collaboration on different versions of Sugar and different hardware and in VM. We found some activities better than others. Struggle with audio and video in Sugar in VM. Last week we had issues with creating soas strawberry - run script, script reports successful completion but the USB is blank. Resolved today - think it was to do with an existing boot partition. Have got it working correctly now. Testing Lexar USB keys to check they mount and unmount on XO hardware. We like the way the behave so are buying more with a small donation we have received ($100 donation, the USB keys are $15 for 2GB). Talked about SFD activities to do with kids and students during the day. Sorted out a SoaS install for the 150 USB keys that have been donated to the SFD. Now we just need the keys to arrive from USA and we are all go. Some of our ideas in case they are useful to others: get kids to measure each others height with distance activity and use spreadsheet activity to graph heights of kids (noisy environment would stop this from working); make a circuit of activities so kids get to try different activities in small groups doing 10 minute activities with a volunteer helping them at each circuit station; making memory games with memorize, making music with kazoos (or other instruments) and tamtam suite, recording each other with record (maybe interviews), maze races (this led to discussions on how we could map a maze out on the floor utilising distance and then getting them to race the maze), etoys or turtle art with sensors (makerspace can make sensors for us and the rep rap machine can make us view finders). More ideas welcome. We are hoping to give them a problem to solve, some kind of challenge. Talked about Sahana project. This is a FOSS application for coordinating agencies response to disaster . Recently deployed on XOs aggregating areial photography into the maps in Sahana. rotating main screen with rotate button kills the laptop when using new Sugar OS5. only thing still working is text mode console. new sugar OS5, no video or picture capture in record activity anymore, only audio capture, Record-64 Decided next Saturday testing will be held at National Library as the OpenGovt Barcamp will be there. Opportunity to involve them (and drink free coffee). Thanks for coming team! Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning Consultant HRDNZ (Moodle Partner) tabi...@hrdnz.com www.hrdnz.com Cell +64 21 482229 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 18 July 2009 Wellington, NZ
Testing summary - 18 July 2009, Wellington, NZ Who: Tim, Tabitha, Grant, Uli, Stella, Leah, Becs, Brenda, Callum, Dave, Sigi Putting dev keys in the last XOs to be updated. Updating builds from 767 to 802 on all XOs Trying soas-strawberry in virtual machines on other laptops. tested out chat with six XOs then added write activity but we could not see each others writing :-( though seeing each other in the frame in both activities. In the neighborhood view we are seeing each other but we keep appearing and disappearing. tried different XOs sharing the activity and this time it worked. tried adding picture, some XOs got picture, some XOs stopped sharing - seems we now have at least three versions of the truth. multiple cursors are flashing in different places on each XO. we are seeing different numbers of other XOs in activity in frame. write quit itself on two XOs. This does not seem to be impacting chat activity. we still sharing chat no worries. M_Stone requests openvpn experiment with us, on five XOs, so we be on same ethernet. Seemed like we could connect to vpn but then got stuck when pinging address M_Stone sent us. Could not access sample keys. Further information from m_stone. Happy to test further next week. Walter Bender requests tests of turtleart-55: found that on wiki.laptop you get version 44, on sugarlabs.org you get version 55 from the top right hand activities link but version 51 from the activities link in the middle of the sugarlabs.org page. Pop up windows is making it very difficult to install new activities as dialogue box appears in window behind, or does not appear at all. This is impacting how browse activity works too - if we cant close pop up (due to no close button sometimes and cant move window around) we cannot end the browse activity. It is further impacting in that the window is appearing to sit in front of frame and impacting other zoom views, e.g. going in front of neighbourhood view. Could not install activities on some XOs from sugarlabs site. Had to go. :-( More testing next week. Thanks everyone Tabitha ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - Saturday 4 April 2009
Hello Found it hard to find the emails of the developers to let them know we have tested their activities... can they put their contacts on their activities page please? Who was there - Uli and the girls, Grant, Callum, Brenda, Tabitha Bridge-2 Trains crashing into each other rolling over each other and the tangle of train parts made it hard to play... is there a way that you can restrict next train to not come until a certain time length has gone by? or a clear debris option for bits of broken train everywhere? reset button? PlayGo-5 Seems to work well. Played against the computer and the computer won. Cobble-3 Custom deck with any fields blank kills activity. Adding other items and leaving fields blank does not cause activity to die. Roadmap-3 Map of California came up, could move around easily. x2o-9 Pre-made levels worked well. Everything worked as expected. Thanks Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning Consultant HRDNZ (Moodle Partner) tabi...@hrdnz.com www.hrdnz.com Cell +64 21 482229 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing Summary - Saturday 28 March 2009
Hi Testing summary - Saturday 28 March 2009 Struggle to guess what to test due to lack of new activities (or new versions of existing) and lack of Sugar updates Tested geography-7 - found that it is very slow, and that you have to point mouse about 1 cm to the left of the country and use shadow rather than shape. Tuxtype / Tuxmath - Listed on the Sugar site as installable using yum. But had problems with network-manager dependencies when trying to install it. Tried to reinstall network manager without success. still need developer key for updating builds on recently received XOs XOlympics-1 seems to work without any problems, but doen't seem to do much. Cellgame-1 works well, but couldn't figure out the rules. Looked at Map-2, but doesn't seem to do anything without a connection to map server. Kind regards Tabitha Roder eLearning Consultant HRDNZ (Moodle Partner) tabi...@hrdnz.com www.hrdnz.com Cell +64 21 482229 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Wellington OLPC/Sugar volunteers group - meeting this Saturday 10.30am, Southern Cross
Hello OLPC/Sugar testing is on again this Saturday. Martin is still in NZ so come along to ask him all about XS and Moodle. Focus for this weekend is updating to 8.2.1 and activity testing. Usual time and place: 1030am at the Cross, 35 Abel Smith St FYI - Cuba St Carnival is on that afternoon, so testing could end with a bit of sight seeing in Cuba St! See you there! Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC volunteers this Saturday Wellington - Upgrading
Hi Join us in welcoming back Martin Langhoff this Saturday after his XS work in Boston. The community is ready for testing 8.2.1 staging 25 so we can upgrade the XOs this weekend. Usual: 10.30am at The Cross, 35 Abel Smith St. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 31 January 2009
Hello Who was here: Mel Chua, Becky, Alastair, Ed, Tabitha, Grant, Carl, Bob What did we do: Sensors - big fail on the magnets and wires sensors... could only generate a couple of millivolts but major success on the resistance test!!! Using usb power proved to be too sensitive but using just the microphone ports gave us a good range. Measure responded well on the resistance test but as noted the magnets and wires didn't generate enough power. Also plugged the resistance sensor into Turtle Art Portfolio 9. Grant was doing some major design work in turtle art and the resistance sensor gave a good degree of analog variance... TurtleArt Portfolio version 9 tests Had problems when creating a presentation with enough slides that it went off the edge. If you've pulled the slides up in order to add more to the bottom and try to drag them back down into the window, the blocks become disconnected and the beginning of the presentation is lost outside the borders and I was unable to retrieve them. SugarModification When modifying the views in sugar, it turns out that the identifier for the sunflower view is set to spiral-view, so that when adding the actual Spiral view from the insructions on the FOSS Sugar Manual and changing the identifier from my-layout to spiral-layout which seemed more logical it conflicted with with the sunflower view causing the default view setting to have problems. Chat across 3 o/s Tried to reproduce behaviour of trac bug 7706 (Chat Text doesn't appear on Mac iChat window unless you close it First), instead just got errors every time attempted to send messages from iChat to XO. Will do further debugging at home with packet sniffer. Thanks everyone! Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Wellington OLPC/Sugar volunteer group - meeting this Saturday 10.30am, Southern Cross
Hello Another Saturday is coming up fast and it has been an exciting week! With Mel Chua visiting us for a WEEK we have had some fantastic opportunities to tap into her expertise and she is excited about coming to testing this weekend to see how we roll, with the offer of showing us how to make sensors for TurtleArt. Mel also eager to learn about and document how the Welly test group works, because of interest in starting a similar group back in Boston. Mel also gave us a wee XO gift which we will bring along for you to try out. Walter gave two presentations (thanks Catalyst for hosting venue and refreshments, thanks Computer Clubhouse for paying for Walters flights) about Sugarlabs and has helped us to see different places Sugar can be used around NZ and the Pacific region. So usual story: 10.30am kick off at The Cross, 35 Abel Smith Street, see you there! Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 17 January 2009
Hello community Who was there: Bob, Florencia, Uli, Gustav, Alastair, Edward, Tabitha, Brenda, Callum (and a couple of random people who asked us questions and got their 2yo kid to play with tamtam mini) Socialcalc-1: Simple Mesh connection. 3 XOs - appear in the frame but typing is not sharing. So far testing of functions works - formatting, basic formulas. We took photos if you need them. Formulas - tested max, min, average, sum, okay. Today function works. Help has a good start. Graph not working properly yet? Highlight range of cells but just get the last cell highlighted as a bar. Learned some more from lots of us playing and eventually got a bar graph. Yeah! So we found you have to NOT include the labels. Also found bar graph is not to scale. We were impressed that it could graph a row of data or a column of data, and would like to see it recognise two columns in the future, maybe even comparing data. We are hoping next time we test this that we can get a pie graph - we like pie. Then maybe line graph after that? Eventually we worked out how to add labels, but it was a bit complicated. Sort was hard work - too many steps to the process. Need to make it clearer that there is a button to push, or hide other menu options. Major and minor sort both work. Would be good if you see only first part of sort question then only second part of sort question, not both at the same time especially as it remembers the last sort you did. Maybe even just changing the sort button to the end rather than in the middle, and maybe make it say sort now or something. Massive delay in entering text into the cell, move to the next cell and wait wait wait. We are happy to test this again when sharing is possible. Saves to journal and can get data back. Awesome. Gaming keys do stuff - cool. Square key takes you to A1, great. Rotate - 90 and 270 chops off half the tool bars and does not fit to frame. Rotate 180 is great for upside down work. :-) Black and white mode works. Sound not applicable. Gnubook GNU book reader has the following problems; Default zoom is too low, all images are loaded at once (problems for bandwidth, traffic costs). Needs an way to scroll to next half (or third) of a given page. A simple way to copy a book around would be nice. Something to indicate that images are not being loaded by default would be good. A way to interpolate text only pages would be good for speed/traffic/storage. Also, a bookmark, and index/contents that can skip to a given page would be good. Additional: The evince based PDF ebook reader (aka. Reader) is way too memory intensive for large books. Either a different technology (HTML? Mobipocket), or something where the pages are only rendered one at a time, rather than caching the render of everything in memory in advance. Also; the interface for downloading, and saving books to the local disk is horribly horribly confusing. Food Force II Tested on 4 XOs. Bit slow and sometimes crashes, but not sure why. Took us a while to work out that without books no one goes to school... how do we put XOs in the school? Without medicine the hospital does not work. A tutorial would be great - like etoys tutorial please. The music on one XO is jittery. Clean reboot twice it still does jittery sound. When we buy and sell resources but the numbers are meaningless to us. Farm setup - It would be cool to have a drag pie graph that allows you to choose what percentage of rice, veges and beans you want to plant. Houses - have to setup one house at a time, would like bulk build (could even add a cheaper to build in bulk component). Facilities were shutting down due to lack of resources but running so slow we could not buy resources quick enough. TamTamMini Smashing of multiple keys (as expected of 2 year old) results in speaker overload and distortion. Pulling apart XOs. We learned how to pull apart and put back together five XOs today. Great learning for us so we can refurbish and replace bits. Great for non hardware people in the group to fill in some gaps in our knowledge. We were all happy when we put them back together with no left over screws! Another successful day. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC volunteers this Saturday Wellington - How to pull apart and rebuild your XO
Hello We are up for another exciting session this Saturday with Calum showing us how to pull apart and rebuild XOs. Bring a Phillips number one screw driver if you have one and join in the fun. Last week we tested an activity called Food Force II (goal is to enable village to escape poverty and develop nutritional self-sufficiency) and we have had great engagement with the authors so it will be good to see if we can further test this activity for them. Usual spot - Southern Cross, Abel Smith Street, Wellington Usual time - 10.30am Feel free to invite others who might like to join in. Global Community testing meeting in IRC on Friday at 1200 NZ time Info herehttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_testing_meeting To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing, subscribe to olpc...@lists.laptop.org by going to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz Look forward to seeing you on Saturday. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC and Catalyst invitation to meet Walter Bender - sugarlabs founder
Hello New Zealand OLPC volunteers and friends OLPC Wellington http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/WellyNZTesters and Catalyst IT Ltd http://www.catalyst.net.nz/ invite you to meet Walter Bender, founder of sugarlabs http://sugarlabs.org/, a non-profit foundation. Python based, Sugar enhances educational experience by emphasising collaboration and expression. Sugar is the interface used on XOs distributed around the world by OLPC. Venue - Catalyst House http://www.catalyst.net.nz/contact, 150 Willis Street, Wellington. RSVP session 12-2 or 5-7 on 27 January by emailing tabi...@learning.ac.nz Looking forward to seeing you there. Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Subscribe to the OLPC NZ testing distribution list
Hello To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing, subscribe to olpc...@lists.laptop.org by going to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz Now this list is set up I will drop the previous method of emailing out to individuals for these mass updates. Have a great weekend. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 10 January 2009
Hello Thanks to Ian Thomson for coming along and talking to everyone about Oceania deployments. There were lots of fantastic talks today with a diverse group of people present. We are hoping to hear some kiwi's could be volunteering in the Pacific Islands over the next few months - fingers crossed funds can be found. Who came: Carl, Ian, Edward, Murray, Brenda, Callum, Uli, Jonathan, Kaleb, Joshhua, Aida, Tabitha, Aaron, Douglas, Queenie Food Force II Tested on 5 XOS, concept awesome and appropriate for developing countries (keep working on it please), takes a long time to load - uses a lot of processing power so runs real slow, shares in neighbourbood view but does not collaborate. Usability - ignoring slowness, the edges of the screen are designed to move the user view of the village but the selection buttons at the bottom of the screen are within the scroll trigger zone so when trying to select it is scrolling. Would be good if there was a where you are now indicator on the map (for when you have scrolled away from the village). Query - would speed increase if run from school server rather than local? We are extremely excited about this activity and look forward to seeing this improve. Chat Today we had bonjour chat on Ubuntu (pidgin on 8.10 and 8.4) talking to the XOs without issue. Intiating a chat from Ubuntu to the XOs would pop up a chat icon, which clicking on would start a Chat application. However, a OS X macbook with (using ichat bonjour) could see the XO's, but would return the error message Instant Message connection failed. The other person's computer may not be reachable. Also, there is no way for an XO to initiate a chat, or see non-XO computers using the bonjour chat protocol. Plans for next couple of weeks - Next Saturday 17 January - learn how to pull apart your XO and put it back together (thanks Callum, our resident expert in XO repairs) - at The Cross Tuesday 27 January - meet Walter Bender, SugarLabs founder - further details to come but can say it will be at Catalyst offices in Willis Street One day soon - update from Andrew McMillan on OLPC presentations at Linux Conference (February?) One day soon - Martin Langhoff update on School server and python for sugar programming sessions (February?) Feel free to invite others. To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing, subscribe to olpc...@lists.laptop.org by going to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz Have a fantastic week! Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC testers getting together this Saturday
Hello Who is excited about getting back into our weekly testing sessions! Me! So the holiday was great, and I took my XO to far off places (well, Northland) to show people, so I hope your XOs so some sunshine too, as well as you getting an awesome break from the daily grind. We are back up and running again starting this Saturday, and what better way to kick start the year than with a guest - Ian Thomson, Project Coordinator for Pacific RICS and Oceania OLPC. So come along and talk to Ian about his adventures in Papa New Guinea, Niue, and all over the Pacific region. Ian is ready and willing to answer all your questions about acceptance, deployment, technical and educational issues; in fact he will be disappointed if you don't ask! Find out the eight destinations for deployment over January/February and perhaps offer to help. Usual spot - Southern Cross, Abel Smith Street Usual time - 10.30am Feel free to invite others who might like to join in or talk to Ian (or any of us). Oh, and before I forget - reminder that the Community testing meeting in IRC starts up again on Friday at 1200 NZ time Info herehttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_testing_meeting Look forward to seeing you on Saturday. Happy new year. -- Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Last XO test day of the year
Hello Wellington testers This Saturday will be the last test day of the year and I am getting excited about sharing everyone's holiday plans (and any exciting places XOs are holidaying with you). We have a few events lined up for the new year, mark 12 and 27 January in your diaries for some international guests - I hope to confirm exact times and locations by Saturday. The http://linux.conf.au/ is 19-24 January in Hobart and the Wellington XO test group have been invited to attend the Oceania OLPC meeting that will be held Sunday 18th. There are some OLPC and Sugar presentations at the conference too. Andrew McMillan is attending so those who can't make I suggest you gleen insights from Andrew on his return. See you at the Cross 10.30am (ish). If you can't make it, have a great holiday break and see you 12 January. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wellington test team vs Activities - 2008-09-13
Tabitha's notes: XO Build 8.2-759 Mini vMac-1 - ctrl F for full screen is great! played with excalibur, note pad, calculator, puzzle, all good, but it is hard to shut down Mini vMac - seems you have to stop in the frame? Bridge-1 good Stopwatch-1 good Poll-17 - create own poll good, voted good, lesson plans display as XML not so good, bug logged #8456 Schoolsplay-1 - loads, font size is too big in the frames and in the pyramid, cant really play as cant read :-( bug logged #8458 Audacity-1 - fails to launch, got logs, bug logged #8453 XaoS-1 - good Moon-4 good Colors-4 - still not able to stop activity, same as v4 - see original bug #8335 ProducePuzzle-0 - good Ok, now onto the big test - GCompris-7, get ready this is long GCompris - Various puzzles *assemble - good *tangram - good *build - good *superbrain - good *hanoi - good *sliding blocks - good *sudoku - good *fifteen game - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - geometry *freedraw - good *redraw - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) *mirror - could not find or load the file skins/gartoon/redraw_symmetry.svg this activity is incomplete exit it and report the problem to the authors ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Gcompris - Mathematic games - calculations *math memory **multiply - good **add - good **subtract - good *algebra **add and subtract tested, took a while to work out that you have to push check answer or it thinks you havent entered an answer *number munchers **multiple - good **prime - good *math memory **bit confusing that questions with the same answer dont match in the matching game - e.g. 4 + 4 is not equal to 3 + 5, they are both = 8 only *balance the scales - good *target - good *series of correct operations - good Gcompris - Mathematic games - numeration *pairs of dice - good *count the items - couldn't find or load the file enumerate/food/banana.png this activity is incomplete - bruno *magician hat - good *feed tux the fish - good *money - couldnt find money/euro/p5e.png - bruno *helicopter - good *draw with numbers - good GCompris - amusement *tuxpaint - cannot find tux paint install it to use this activity *football - good *hexagon - good *word processor - good, we all like the themes *drawing / animation - works for draw not animation - save image exits GCompris so cannot make animation *chat - sorry couldnt test this today GCompris - reading *click on letter - good *reading practice - good *horizontal - words start above the box not in it *vertical - words start above the box not in it *missing letter - good *image name drag and drop - good GCompris - discover the computer *keyboard **numbers with dice - good **throw ball to tux - good **simple letters - good **falling words - good *mouse **control the hose pipe - good **click the mouse - good **move the mouse - good **click on me - good **click and draw - good GCompris - strategy games *practice chess - error: the external program gnuchess is mandatory to play chess in gcompris first install it and check it is in /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess *connect 4 - good *bar game - good - the prerequisite of a brain is cute *oware - good GCompris - experiental games *parachutist - good *canal lock - good *water cycle - good *electricity - cannot find the gnucap electric simulator you can download and install it from http://geda.seul.org/tools/gnucap/ to be detected it must be installed in /usr/bin/gnucap or /usr/local/bin/gnucap you can still use this activity to draw schematics without computer simulation *pilot a submarine - good *sea race - good GCompris - discovery games *misc **drag and drop shapes - good **left and right words - good **algorithm - good **chronos - good **learning clock - good **region - activity works well but my brain did not (lol) **locate countries - good (and easier for us to answer than regions! lol) *colors **rebuild the mosaic - good **colors (ducks) - good stopped here, sorry didnt quite get through all the activities Overall comments on GCompris - there was lots of positive reinforcement for learners which was good to hear (literally hear), impressed by this work. Few times the words in the help and instructions and names were on top of each other, like it couldnt fit all the writing in the box so would overlap. Bit slow to open and close each game but still very cool. Thanks for all the effort put in here so far. Tabitha 2008/9/13 Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transcription of Paul's notes: Horse game - bottom half of screen is not filled with the same graphic (resolution problem?) and the horse leaves a track over it. No crash but visual nastiness. (tried to get screenshot hack going but failed) Success running these: - x2o - Wikipedia Spanish - MinivMac - Bridge -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working
