Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Two answers: similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. I believe that was the plan of record in previous conversations; I hope I'm not mistaken. What we have implemented now is some basic notifications generated and consumed in the shell, so we haven't added any public API for now. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Thanks for the comment, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
Thanks for all your answers. The thing is we're having some trouble here in Uruguay with xos that run out of disk space. Kids download lots of activities, take lots of pictures and videos and they manage to use all free space they have. When that happens, it seems that sugar won't load in some cases or takes too long to do it. That's why we want to give some kind of warning when they have used, I don't know, 95% of disk space or so, so they can delete some stuff before everything crashes. We'll try to figure out something, but help will be appreciated! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Two answers: similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. I believe that was the plan of record in previous conversations; I hope I'm not mistaken. What we have implemented now is some basic notifications generated and consumed in the shell, so we haven't added any public API for now. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Thanks for the comment, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
Hi Emiliano, we have this right now: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#03 So in the 8.2.0 release you can trust to have an indication of how much space is available. About having a notification to popup when space runs low, you should enter a enhancement request in trac. Perhaps too late to get in 8.2.0 but could be in a later release for sure. Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Emiliano Pastorino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all your answers. The thing is we're having some trouble here in Uruguay with xos that run out of disk space. Kids download lots of activities, take lots of pictures and videos and they manage to use all free space they have. When that happens, it seems that sugar won't load in some cases or takes too long to do it. That's why we want to give some kind of warning when they have used, I don't know, 95% of disk space or so, so they can delete some stuff before everything crashes. We'll try to figure out something, but help will be appreciated! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Two answers: similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. I believe that was the plan of record in previous conversations; I hope I'm not mistaken. What we have implemented now is some basic notifications generated and consumed in the shell, so we haven't added any public API for now. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Thanks for the comment, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Emiliano, we have this right now: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#03 So in the 8.2.0 release you can trust to have an indication of how much space is available. About having a notification to popup when space runs low, you should enter a enhancement request in trac. Perhaps too late to get in 8.2.0 but could be in a later release for sure. Right, we absolutely need this. Hopefully in the future this will improve when we have robust backup/restore integrated with the Journal, so that old and unused Journal entries can fall off the machine over time and keep space free. We'll still need the alert, of course; the notification system just wasn't quite ready in time for 8.2.0. A ticket would be appreciated (assign to interface-design for now). Thanks! - Eben Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Emiliano Pastorino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all your answers. The thing is we're having some trouble here in Uruguay with xos that run out of disk space. Kids download lots of activities, take lots of pictures and videos and they manage to use all free space they have. When that happens, it seems that sugar won't load in some cases or takes too long to do it. That's why we want to give some kind of warning when they have used, I don't know, 95% of disk space or so, so they can delete some stuff before everything crashes. We'll try to figure out something, but help will be appreciated! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Two answers: similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. I believe that was the plan of record in previous conversations; I hope I'm not mistaken. What we have implemented now is some basic notifications generated and consumed in the shell, so we haven't added any public API for now. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Thanks for the comment, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Sure, wrap the actual DBus calls with a simplied sugar/python method if you like, but *please* let's implement a listener for that API so that unmodified applications can interact sensibly with Sugar, and so that our system tools activities can interoperate with non-Sugar window managers. Similarly, we should really implement that standard freedesktop.org startup notification spec, so we can get sensible notifications and icons for 'ordinary' applications. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
Thanks, Michael! I was just trying that, but I was missing the XAUTHORITY variable. I think that's going to do the job by now. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:27:21AM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Emiliano, I'm not sure of the right way to help you in the long term, but if you want a quick hack, you might try something like: 1. Install a cronjob that runs every few minutes. 2. When it runs, it should check the available space. 3. If it concludes that space is low, pop up a warning. Warnings can be simple X or pygtk programs (see the 'dialog' Linux scripts for ideas). To get this hooked up to the running X display, you'll need to set some environment variables: DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/olpc/.Xauthority Ask if you need more help. Michael -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Sure, wrap the actual DBus calls with a simplied sugar/python method if you like, but *please* let's implement a listener for that API so that unmodified applications can interact sensibly with Sugar, and so that our system tools activities can interoperate with non-Sugar window managers. Similarly, we should really implement that standard freedesktop.org startup notification spec, so we can get sensible notifications and icons for 'ordinary' applications. Yes, what you asked for is what we aim for ;) Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope our alert system will use the freedesktop.org standard: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php It is widely used in Gnome, and when I last reviewed it seems to be a solid and capable spec. The interfaces in that spec look quite good, although perhaps would benefit from a simpler, alternative API that also abstracts the D-Bus stuff. Perhaps rainbow should do some rate limiting or permissions checking, not sure. Sure, wrap the actual DBus calls with a simplied sugar/python method if you like, but *please* let's implement a listener for that API so that unmodified applications can interact sensibly with Sugar, and so that our system tools activities can interoperate with non-Sugar window managers. Similarly, we should really implement that standard freedesktop.org startup notification spec, so we can get sensible notifications and icons for 'ordinary' applications. Yes, what you asked for is what we aim for ;) Yay! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:39, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:27:21AM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Emiliano, I'm not sure of the right way to help you in the long term, but if you want a quick hack, you might try something like: 1. Install a cronjob that runs every few minutes. 2. When it runs, it should check the available space. 3. If it concludes that space is low, pop up a warning. Warnings can be simple X or pygtk programs (see the 'dialog' Linux scripts for ideas). To get this hooked up to the running X display, you'll need to set some environment variables: DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/olpc/.Xauthority Ask if you need more help. Just out of interest, where is the code that raises the AP network authentication name/pass request? That feels like a pretty close template fit to such a critical warning. I must just say I'm not 100% convinced about how successful a warning will be (but it is better than nothing). I've hit the issue a couple of times and it was not some slow incremental case where I could take sensible action. Both times, as I recall, I was downloading some ~large library or binary which maxed out the space in one go before I realised the size. --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of interest, where is the code that raises the AP network authentication name/pass request? That feels like a pretty close template fit to such a critical warning. sugar/src/hardware/keydialog.py Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
This is a problem that all XOs face. Ultimately we should produce a shared solution and push the fix into Sugar. I believe there has been some discussion of this? The problem is getting that fix back out to deployed laptops may not be easy... My 2c. Maybe the XO character in the home view could flash when something this serious is wrong. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 04:53:00PM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Hi, everyone! I was wondering if is there a way to open a popup or something like that in sugar, we want to use that or something similar to give warnings to the user, like 95% of disk space used. Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
Two answers: 1. We absolutely need stronger feedback (actually, feedback at all) for system state, such as disk space, battery level, network failures, and other similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and actually be taken advantage of by the following one. For more information, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#12. We may later extend the notification system so that activities, too, can notify the user when necessary, even if they aren't presently focused. 2. We do already have some facilities in place to replace standard dialogs. There is an Alert class (and a few subclasses) defined which activities can use to show non-modal alerts and prompt for feedback. There are also going to be modal alerts (like the control panel, the object chooser, and others), but I'm not sure those have been wrapped up into a class for activities to use at this point. Cloning code from one of those modal alerts might be a fair short term solution in extreme cases (such as running out of disk space). - Eben On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a problem that all XOs face. Ultimately we should produce a shared solution and push the fix into Sugar. I believe there has been some discussion of this? The problem is getting that fix back out to deployed laptops may not be easy... My 2c. Maybe the XO character in the home view could flash when something this serious is wrong. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 04:53:00PM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Hi, everyone! I was wondering if is there a way to open a popup or something like that in sugar, we want to use that or something similar to give warnings to the user, like 95% of disk space used. Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar
Hi Emliano, Thanks a lot for your input and questions. The next release is called 8.2.0 and the features in it are being slowly documented at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 That page is subject to change and may contain errors. However, it has some good links and pictures of coming GUI changes. Take a look at that and let us know if it is close to what you need or if you have any suggestions or questions. Eben's link has a lot of good info but not all the screen shots will be implemented in 8.2.0. Make sure to check back before assuming everything is in. Let us know what is important to you, what you like and what you don't like. Uruguay is our biggest deployment right now so we will act as quickly as possible on your feedback. Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager PS Lo siento que no nos conocimos cuando usted estuvo en Cambridge. Estoy a su servicio en qualquier que necesita. *** From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar To: Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Two answers: 1. We absolutely need stronger feedback (actually, feedback at all) for system state, such as disk space, battery level, network failures, and other similar issues. This is going to be handled by the notification system, which is in its infancy in the upcoming 8.2 release, but should mature and actually be taken advantage of by the following one. For more information, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#12. We may later extend the notification system so that activities, too, can notify the user when necessary, even if they aren't presently focused. 2. We do already have some facilities in place to replace standard dialogs. There is an Alert class (and a few subclasses) defined which activities can use to show non-modal alerts and prompt for feedback. There are also going to be modal alerts (like the control panel, the object chooser, and others), but I'm not sure those have been wrapped up into a class for activities to use at this point. Cloning code from one of those modal alerts might be a fair short term solution in extreme cases (such as running out of disk space). - Eben On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a problem that all XOs face. Ultimately we should produce a shared solution and push the fix into Sugar. I believe there has been some discussion of this? The problem is getting that fix back out to deployed laptops may not be easy... My 2c. Maybe the XO character in the home view could flash when something this serious is wrong. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 04:53:00PM -0300, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: Hi, everyone! I was wondering if is there a way to open a popup or something like that in sugar, we want to use that or something similar to give warnings to the user, like 95% of disk space used. Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 469 ___ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
