Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 19:41, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x, Browse.xo saves the file as File leases.sig from http://... ... two possible ways to move next. Copy and rename 1 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. Check on Terminal indicates that the file has the LFN we expect (File leases.sig from http://...;). 2 - Switch to the 'USB disk' view of the Journal. 3 - Rename the file to leases.sig . A check from the commandline shows that the file has not been renamed. Oops?. The Journal only renames the metadata. Bug? Rename and copy 1 - Rename the file in the Journal to 'leases.sig' 2 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. The Journal reports that the file is called lease.sig. From terminal I can see that the file is called lease.sig.txt . Bug? Is there a better way to do this? If you go through the archives, you will find that this was discussed some weeks ago, I think it was Tony Forster who started the discussion. And we have tickets in trac as well. Regards, Tomeu cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
Better way: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities#Midnight_Commander On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x, Browse.xo saves the file as File leases.sig from http://... ... two possible ways to move next. Copy and rename 1 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. Check on Terminal indicates that the file has the LFN we expect (File leases.sig from http://...;). 2 - Switch to the 'USB disk' view of the Journal. 3 - Rename the file to leases.sig . A check from the commandline shows that the file has not been renamed. Oops?. The Journal only renames the metadata. Bug? Rename and copy 1 - Rename the file in the Journal to 'leases.sig' 2 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. The Journal reports that the file is called lease.sig. From terminal I can see that the file is called lease.sig.txt . Bug? Is there a better way to do this? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 19:41, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a better way to do this? If you go through the archives, you will find that this was discussed some weeks ago, I think it was Tony Forster who started the discussion. True - thanks for the tip. I didn't find any specific workaround (but I found one of my own, as I mentioned before). And we have tickets in trac as well. Cool. I will create an additional ticket, related to file renames on a USB drive. If I can find my way around the relevant code, I'll try to prep a patch. cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
Is there a better way to do this? Don't use Browse as if it was a real web browser. Don't use the Journal as if it was a real file system. Run Firefox, not Browse. Open up a terminal and do what needs doing. You've just stumbled on one tiny corner of the problem that the Sugar tools don't teach kids about real hierarchical file systems, and don't provide access to real hierarchical file systems. So kids don't get access to source code (for reading or writing) because they can't grok the structure in which it's stored. Nor access to anything else, like lease signature files. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, John Gilmoreg...@toad.com wrote: Don't use Browse as if it was a real web browser. Don't use the Journal as if it was a real file system. ... and don't use Sugar as a useful Desktop or UI...? I don't buy the argument. There are lots of things that rely on filenames; as the userbase of Sugar grows, users will use Sugar for an ever widening variety of tasks. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x, Browse.xo saves the file as File leases.sig from http://... ... two possible ways to move next. Copy and rename 1 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. Check on Terminal indicates that the file has the LFN we expect (File leases.sig from http://...;). 2 - Switch to the 'USB disk' view of the Journal. 3 - Rename the file to leases.sig . A check from the commandline shows that the file has not been renamed. Oops?. The Journal only renames the metadata. Bug? Rename and copy 1 - Rename the file in the Journal to 'leases.sig' 2 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. The Journal reports that the file is called lease.sig. From terminal I can see that the file is called lease.sig.txt . Bug? Is there a better way to do this? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Rename and copy From the department of useful tricks... If you want to preserve your users' ability to name a file you serve via HTTP, eschew proper mimetypes and say with me: Content-Type: application/x-forcedownload With that mimetype, the rename and copy strategy works. Is there a better way to do this? At first blush it doesn't qualify as 'better', but this particular file is not meant to be read or edited by the end user (as it's Canonical JSON). So serving it text/plain was a liability, as the Journal would happily open it under Write.xo . So yes, we are better off with it. Maybe application/json-don't-edit-me would be more appropriate. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
