Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish, signed with the deployment keys. How well is that build working, from a let's use it in the field PoV? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:46 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is a very big deal for us. We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish, signed with the deployment keys. How well is that build working, from a let's use it in the field PoV? Depends very much on who you ask to. Teacher / trainers: It deleted my stuff I can't learn it None of the new activities work We can't work any more with this new version This GNOME thing has many drawbacks GNOME prevents activities from working Children: Please install colored windows The new Sugar is faster How do I get to piecito? (little foot == GNOME) I like the screensaver ...many more... If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Activities still need some bug-fixing, but nothing serious. I filed a bunch of bugs in the SL and OLPC trackers. I asked educators to send us clear and complete bug reports every time they see something odd, but all I've seen so far is distress calls, of course sent through private channels instead of the ones I suggested :-) I think this is all natural: non-technical adults tend to panic on the idea to replace something familiar with something that will force them to learn something new. This is the first time in their *lives* it happens, so we should be understanding. In less than 2 months, they'd be happy with this version and unable to use the old one. Hopefully, they will complain a little less on the next upgrade to 0.86 and 0.88... Until they finally get used to the idea that software tends to improve over time rather than getting worse. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you actually use FF? Camera? Hopefully, they will complain a little less on the next upgrade to 0.86 and 0.88... Until they finally get used to the idea that software tends to improve over time rather than getting worse. Or we slow down to a rhythm that they can cope with ;-)! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason
Forgot to answer a paragraph: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you actually use FF? Camera? I've seen some users using Firefox, so it probably works well enough. I've noticed some annoying graphics artifacts on buttons, probably caused by a geode driver bug exposed by the gtk theme. I've been focusing exclusively on Sugar and core activities. Gnome is very popular among children, but I'm not particularly motivated in supporting it. Frankly, I also don't test Sugar beyond very basic functionality: networking, journal, browse... Not only I wouldn't have time to comprehensively test every activity, I also wouldn't do the same things that creative users actually do with them. Instead, I've invested on building a testing team form a small crowd of smart children who are using their laptops 6 hours a day. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
