Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report

[Sameer Verma]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Here's my weekly report for week ending 9/26.
>
> ***
> Status against last week goals:
> 1 - Hound engineers to close all 8.2.0 blockers (see
> http://dev.laptop.org/report/28) and get a firm date for the Release
> Candidate build. Triage bugs and keep the release on schedule.
>
> GS - Done! In the end, no hounding was needed :-) Triaged bugs but fell
> a little behind the incoming rate this week. Also picked and tested
> a set of additional activities to add to the G1G1 default install.
>
> 2 - Clean up open bugs section of 8.2. release notes. Get release notes
> ready for final review.
>
> GS - Mostly done. Top section finished and ready for final review. Human
> readable explanation and categorization of key bugs started. Final edits
> and comments welcome: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
>
> 3 - Write 8.2 launch plan and technical overview presentation.
>
> GS - Not done. Wrote brief blurb on the release for re-use in promoting
> it. Still need to list communication vehicles, choose the right landing
> page (Release notes?) and refine the high level message for the release.
>
> First pass release message:
> 8.2 has major enhancements including:
> - A flexible Home view and Journal with several options for searching
> and organizing activities.
> - An enhanced Frame for accessing other XOs and peripherals and for
> switching between running activities.
> - A Graphical Control Panel for setting language, network, power and
> other defaults.
> - An automated Software Update tool which finds the latest version of
> activities and updates them over the Internet.
> - Capability to backup XOs to a school server and restore files to the
> Journal as needed.
> - A new manual shipped with the XO as an activity.
> - Many other bug fixes and enhancements.
>
> For more details, see the final draft of the Release Notes at:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
>
> 4 - Share and post 8.2.1 time frame and operating procedure (e.g. Trac
> queries). Start planning for Early Field Trial/Beta of 8.2.1. Keep
> pushing for an engineering leader/owner of 8.2.1.
>
> GS - Not done. Pushed for an engineering owner a little but not too hard
> until 8.2 is done.
>
> 5 - Review and finalize short 9.1 strategy description. Restructure
> requirements section to align with strategy. Fold in more deployment
> requirements. Keep pushing for an engineering leader/owner of 9.1.
> Stretch goal: prepare to write detailed requirements sections and start
> scrubbing bugs to create working Trac queries.
>
> GS - Mostly not done. Added a few more details, discussed strategy and
> country demands. Added some more detailed requirements for deployability
>  at:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0#Security.2C_Activation_and_Deployability
>
> 6 - Update deployments page. Update releases page and start using new
> semantic format (thanks to S Page for laying out the structure). Also
> update XS sections of releases page.
>
> GS - Not done but did get approval to repost statistics on XOs
> "Delivered, shipped and ordered" by country. See also this URL for new
> deployment and XO information:
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Learning_Workshops
> Some of this will be integrated in my next update of the Deployments page.
>
> **
> Goals for next week in priority order:
>
> 1 - Get 8.2 to manufacturing. Catch up on bug triage.
>
> 2 - Finish 8.2 Release notes and get final review of them from engineering.
>
> 3 - Finalize blurb used to promote the release and start sending it out
> to internal lists. Write more generally usable Release message.
>
> 4 - Update deployments page and releases page.
>
> 5 - Post more detailed 8.2.1 page and restructure 9.1 page.
>
> 6 - Once 8.2 ships, open a bottle of Champagne. One glass then start
> work on the next release :-)

One glass is inefficient. You'll lose all the fizz if you don't finish
the rest. Or, just share! :-)
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bobby Powers]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:47 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey activity maintainers,
>
> I shrank the wasteful junky layout slightly and got rid of all the
> warning triangles for empty values.  If you see any yellow triangles
> after updating your activity page, please let me know.

thanks a lot, the wiki has been looking pretty sharp these days :)

bobby

> The Template:Activity_page could omit altogether table rows that have no
> value.  That would shrink it further but you'd lose the reminder to fill
> in Related projects, Contributors, etc.  Speak up if you want empty rows
> omitted.
>
> Gary C Martin wrote:
>> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now
>> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing,
>> very confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom
>> (Facts about Moon),
>
> That's the "factbox" you see on pages with semantic info.  (Since it
> repeats info that's annotated somewhere else on the page, the newer
> version of Semantic MediaWiki hides it by default.)
>
>>  but before it is a great long ~page screed of the
>> same data in a wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary).
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[S Page]

Hey activity maintainers,

I shrank the wasteful junky layout slightly and got rid of all the 
warning triangles for empty values.  If you see any yellow triangles 
after updating your activity page, please let me know.

The Template:Activity_page could omit altogether table rows that have no 
value.  That would shrink it further but you'd lose the reminder to fill 
in Related projects, Contributors, etc.  Speak up if you want empty rows 
omitted.

Gary C Martin wrote:
> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now 
> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing, 
> very confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom 
> (Facts about Moon),

That's the "factbox" you see on pages with semantic info.  (Since it 
repeats info that's annotated somewhere else on the page, the newer 
version of Semantic MediaWiki hides it by default.)

>  but before it is a great long ~page screed of the 
> same data in a wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary).

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 22:54 schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer  
> link? No way to do that I fear)


Oh, thanks to Walter this works now :)

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Seth Woodworth]

Actually, even more interestingly you could update data in any one of these
forms, and then call that data in a different format on the [[Activities]]
page, the [[/Activities/G1G1]] page, or even in another language.

Setting that the Property:LatestVersion for the page [[Help_(activity)]] can
be aggregated on another page to fill in a field...

Let me try to find a good example...

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:
>
>  So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual
>> data-points and very rough in layout.
>>
>> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a
>> drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead
>> of urls, etc.
>>
>> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into
>> a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities
>> box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the
>> wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).
>>
>
>
> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a new
> release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should be
> automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the small
> boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer link? No
> way to do that I fear)
>
> - Bert -
>
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Gary C Martin]

On 16 Sep 2008, at 21:54, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a  
> new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should  
> be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know  
> what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the  
> small boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other

Oooh. Nice idea using wiki includes! I do like. Anyone see any  
potentially nasty issues here? Control Panel software update happy  
with it? How about we do a sweep of all the Activity pages and use the  
same recipe? Objections?

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 23:14 schrieb Walter Bender:

> You can add anchors to pages in the wiki, so you could do Activities#X


My wiki-fu is not strong enough ... and I do not see "anchors"  
mentioned on

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help:Editing

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Walter Bender]

You can add anchors to pages in the wiki, so you could do Activities#X

-walter

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:
>
>> So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-
>> points and very rough in layout.
>>
>> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small
>> changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in
>> certain fields instead of urls, etc.
>>
>> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data
>> into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current
>> Activities box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see
>> more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).
>
>
> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a
> new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should
> be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know
> what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the
> small boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer
> link? No way to do that I fear)
>
> - Bert -
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:

> So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data- 
> points and very rough in layout.
>
> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small  
> changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in  
> certain fields instead of urls, etc.
>
> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data  
> into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current  
> Activities box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see  
> more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).


As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a  
new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should  
be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know  
what I mean.

I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the  
small boxes on top of the Activities page):

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity

which includes the activity box at

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X

that is also referenced in the Activities page:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other

(hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer  
link? No way to do that I fear)

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Seth Woodworth]

So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-points
and very rough in layout.

On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a
drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead
of urls, etc.

On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into a
box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities
box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the
wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2008, at 23:58, Seth Woodworth wrote:
>
>  Gary, the wiki is generally discussed on the library list, and on the new
>> wiki-gang(@lists.l.o) list.  That may be why you missed information about
>> the implementation of SMW.
>>
>
> Thanks Seth, I'm still contemplating the changes (+ links as per your
> previous email). Just to be clear, I do like the move direction, I'm just
> trying to work out if it's now 'done' and if I (and other activity)
> developers should now go back and spend time revisiting and revising their
> activity wiki pages to comply.
>
> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now
> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing, very
> confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom (Facts about
> Moon), but before it is a great long ~page screed of the same data in a
> wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary). I initially thought my browser was
> showing some hidden or accidental field of junk data, but Firefox shows it
> too.
>
> --Gary
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semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[S Page]

Summary: What do you want from activity wiki pages? (reply here or add 
to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Semantic_MediaWiki#Activities )

A while ago Gary C Martin wrote:
> Any information on what the semantic wiki plan is/was all about?

I never heard of any master plan, however people should note wiki pages
that could or do use semantic annotations at
. The SMW extension is
basically annotating information in wiki pages so you can browse, query, 
and reuse it; a bit like categorizing pages on steroids.  Also someone 
installed the Semantic Forms extension which builds on SMW so you can 
edit certain page data in a form.

> Seems to have been some black ops project 
> inside OLPC with no public documentation 

Dick Cheney denied this secret "black ops" project run outside of normal 
channels, so it must exist!

> I noticed a few weeks back that my activity page had turned into some 
> monster Q&A template page if I now try and edit it...

I haven't worked on the activity templates and forms.  I
think user:Xavi added the OBX templates to activity pages
a while back; recently user:Femslade added Activity_page and
Activity_bundle templates that annotate similar info, and you can edit
them in a form.  I don't know if anything reuses info like 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Property:Activity_version

Greg Smith asked me:
> If we can edit activities page safely do you feel up to making some
> edits there... Maybe propose something on devel then we can approve and
> execute. Let me know if what we are looking for there is not clear.

Sorry, I have no idea what people are looking for (Cheney keeps us all 
on a need-to-know basis, damn these freedom-destroying wikis with no 
congressional oversight!). My proposal would just be guesses, e.g.:
* Unify the OBX templates and the semantic properties?
* Unify the Creating_an_activity page and the new Form:Activity?
* Automatically generate tables of activities?
** Replace (outdated?) Bundled/Core/Extra distinctions with a property?
** Display activity and versions compatible with a particular build?
* Generate the Activity_microformat data for the pages that Software 
update parses (scary...)?

Y'all can reply here, or edit 
, or some 
other talk page in the wiki.

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Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report

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On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Gary C Martin wrote:

> On 6 Sep 2008, at 06:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> Thanks for fixing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride and
>> make it reference the correct version of
>> Develop.  Tested it and software updater now downloads Develop V35.
>> Now maybe people can start looking for valid bugs and give the
>> developer useful feedback.
>> Develop launches nicely in 8.2-759.
>>
>> I went ahead and updated the reference to Colors! to Colors! V4 and
>> software updater successfully downloaded that it.
>
> I notice that the .xo bundle for Colors linked from http:// 
> wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities is still going to v3 even though v4  
> is listed on Colors own wiki page. Was just testing on the 759  
> stream and noticed it didn't pick-up the new version of Color (or  
> Develop-35 for that matter) as the Control Panel (obviously)  
> doesn't use the Activities/Joyride information.

The Software Update control has a "Modify activity groups" in the  
lower left. This control is revealed once the Refresh of software  
update completes.  Click on this and the Group URL field is release.   
You can add or subtract groups here by supplying the URL.
I discovered that the Group URLs are stored in the hidden file /home/ 
olpc/Activities/.groups
Next time I perform an update from 656 I will have to remember to  
delete .groups and see what it gets populated with.

>
> Installed both new versions manually using Browse (note that Colors  
> doesn't respond to the stop icon in its activity tool bar, but you  
> can use the keyboard shortcut alt-esc to get out).
How do we get the component "activity-Colors!" added to track?
>
>> The architecture of the wiki activity group pages is interesting to
>> say the list.
>
>
> Yea, I was hoping the whispers of semantic wiki stuff was going to  
> help keep all the various wiki references in sync. Perhaps it's  
> implementation is still incomplete? Any information on what the  
> semantic wiki plan is/was all about? Seems to have been some black  
> ops project inside OLPC with no public documentation (that I've  
> stumbled over yet). I noticed a few weeks back that my activity  
> page had turned into some monster Q&A template page if I now try  
> and edit it...
>

Yes curious mind are awaiting...Does any one know if it is possible  
to have field level help for the form pages?
.
> --Gary

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Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report

[Gary C Martin]

On 6 Sep 2008, at 06:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Thanks for fixing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride and
> make it reference the correct version of
> Develop.  Tested it and software updater now downloads Develop V35.
> Now maybe people can start looking for valid bugs and give the
> developer useful feedback.
> Develop launches nicely in 8.2-759.
>
> I went ahead and updated the reference to Colors! to Colors! V4 and
> software updater successfully downloaded that it.

I notice that the .xo bundle for Colors linked from 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities 
  is still going to v3 even though v4 is listed on Colors own wiki  
page. Was just testing on the 759 stream and noticed it didn't pick-up  
the new version of Color (or Develop-35 for that matter) as the  
Control Panel (obviously) doesn't use the Activities/Joyride  
information.

Installed both new versions manually using Browse (note that Colors  
doesn't respond to the stop icon in its activity tool bar, but you can  
use the keyboard shortcut alt-esc to get out).

> The architecture of the wiki activity group pages is interesting to
> say the list.


Yea, I was hoping the whispers of semantic wiki stuff was going to  
help keep all the various wiki references in sync. Perhaps it's  
implementation is still incomplete? Any information on what the  
semantic wiki plan is/was all about? Seems to have been some black ops  
project inside OLPC with no public documentation (that I've stumbled  
over yet). I noticed a few weeks back that my activity page had turned  
into some monster Q&A template page if I now try and edit it...

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Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report

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Greg,

Thanks for fixing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride and  
make it reference the correct version of
Develop.  Tested it and software updater now downloads Develop V35.  
Now maybe people can start looking for valid bugs and give the  
developer useful feedback.
Develop launches nicely in 8.2-759.

I went ahead and updated the reference to Colors! to Colors! V4 and  
software updater successfully downloaded that it.

The architecture of the wiki activity group pages is interesting to  
say the list.

Robert H.



On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Greg Smith wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks for the info. We should probably do this on the list so  
> others learn too if you don't mind. If you reply again, just add in  
> devel.
>
> I edited the Joyride page (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/ 
> Joyride)
>  to point to the new Devel v35
>
> I just updated the activity bundle value by copying and pasting it  
> from the main activities page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities
>
> and I updated the version value to 35.
>
> Try running the SW updater again and let me know if that fetches  
> the right one. If so, maybe we can close another bug!
>
> The policy on where the SW updater gets stuff is at:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update
>
> Can you try to fix Colors too if you know where the right one is  
> and how to edit its wiki page from those instructions?
>
> Scott,
>
> This could be an ongoing challenge if we have the SW updater coded  
> to use our wiki. Its a little complicated to figure out what  
> version you are using (e.g. Joyride, shipping, peru etc) then to  
> determine where the SW updater is  pulling from and then update the  
> right page.
>
> Its solvable but needs a lot of communication and takes some time.  
> I wonder if there is some semantic wiki solution here to change it  
> once and have it update everywhere
>
> Also, we still need a way to post older versions of activities when  
> they are not backward compatible (e.g. if develop 35 doesn't run on  
> 656 or 708, we need to say that on the main page and post the one  
> (e.g. v25) that does run on older releases somewhere).
>
> If we edit the main activities page, to include some more fields in  
> the table will that be a problem for SW updater?
>
> Skierpage,
>
> If we can edit activities page safely do you feel up to making some  
> edits there... Maybe propose something on devel then we can approve  
> and execute. Let me know if what we are looking for there is not  
> clear.
>
> BTW don't mean to give you all the hard problems, its just that   
> you do great work so I try you first :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Regarding item 1. I came across http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7716  
>> "Develop doesn't launch" (not a blocker) for which I provided a  
>> diagnoses.
>>  I left the ticket as Diagnose because I did not know were to move  
>> it to next as it did not seem to be a code problem but an  
>> infrastructure problem.   Basically the wrong version of Develop  
>> is being fetched by software upgrade for joyride activities group.  
>> (Also there is a caveat for using it on old builds were a patch  
>> has to be applied to the journal).  This is a low hanging bit of  
>> fruit that could easily be fixed if I knew the correct process for  
>> updating the file that gets fetched by software update.
>> I have also noticed this problem with Colors! for the joyride  
>> activities group were an old version is being fetched instead of  
>> the latest.
>> Late for work so will follow up later if you need more information..
>> Robert H.
>> On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Greg Smith wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We write a weekly report for the OLPC management and employees.
>>>
>>> In order to keep the community involved, motivated and  
>>> knowledgeable,
>>> Michael suggested we share it with this list.
>>>
>>> Its FYI but I'm open to help, comments or suggestions, as always.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg S
>>>
>>> **
>>> Status against last weeks goals:
>>> 1 - Identify, triage and clarify 8.2 blocker bugs.
>>> GS - Done. Triaged all incoming bugs for 8.2. Helped get the 8.2  
>>> release
>>> down to a manageable set of blocking bugs which must be fixed. See:
>>> http://dev.laptop.org/report/28
>>> As of this writing, there are only 9 left with the next action of
>>> Diagnose, Design or Code!
>>>
>>> 2 - Update 8.2 release notes
>>> GS - Made some progress with review of update instructions. Added  
>>> text
>>> to all open bugs in preparation for final review:
>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/ 
>>> 8.2.0#Notable_Open_Bugs_In_This_Release
>>> Also read and commented on the new manual which will be linked from
>>> release notes when ready.
>>>
>>> 3 - Update 9.1 page with more requirements. Re-check that all  
>>> Peru input
>>> is in 9.1 page. Add Uruguay, Haiti, Rwanda, Birmingham and Mongolia
>>> requirements.
>>> GS - Done for Peru. Some Uruguay items in bu

Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report

[Martin Dengler]

On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:55:33AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote:
> In order to keep the community involved, motivated and knowledgeable,
> Michael suggested we share it with this list.

This a great suggestion and great practice.  I hope we don't abuse the
access.

> Thanks,
> 
> Greg S

Martin


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