Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 18:33 -0800, John Gilmore wrote: > > I would take it all with a large dose of salt. > > Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand > is doing. Actually I think the hands are all doing a very good job. It's the head that needs attention. One thing does interest me however. the comment "it plans to open the architecture of the device to allow any other PC maker to take over the project." Is this in the realms of possibility for the XO-1/1.5? Specifically, would OLPC allow a 3rd party to manufacture a system with their own motherboard using the XO-1 case, battery and screen. Perhaps with a colour change to make it distinctive as another product. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:33 PM, John Gilmore wrote: >> I would take it all with a large dose of salt. > > Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand > is doing. The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there > anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even > the XO-1.75). The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to > 30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any > more, > because they're on a foolish hosting site that has "reached its > download limit". Etc. My sentiments exactly. The press release was solely from the industrial designers, with no feedback nor approval from the team that will actually have to make their dreams become reality. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
> I would take it all with a large dose of salt. Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even the XO-1.75). The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to 30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any more, because they're on a foolish hosting site that has "reached its download limit". Etc. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html > > "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, > half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite > an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." > > Well, that's cool. > > Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess > with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether > this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. I would take it all with a large dose of salt. They are design drawings. To use a quote from Nicholas Negroponte that Engadget list in their article [1] "Sure, if I were a commercial entity coming to you for investment, and I'd made the projections I had in the past, you wouldn't invest again, but we're not a commercial operation. If we only achieve half of what we're setting out to do, it could have very big consequences." so they are concept and could all go the way of the XO-2 between now and 2012. They look cool none the less and with the supposed launch of a tablet in Jan with a Pixel Qi screen may not be that far away. Peter [1] http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/olpc-shows-off-absurdly-thin-xo-3-concept-tablet-for-2012/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Sameer Verma wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing. There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers could very well fill in a large part of the gap. the old saying is 'never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with tapes' with current hard drives (1-2TB each), don't underestimate the bandwidth a a suitcase on a mule. when I last ordered drives in bulk I got 20 drives in a box ~6" x 12" x 18" packed for shipping. one round trip a week of 20x2TB drives is 554Mb/sec, or 69MB/sec. To simply transfering the data to/from the drives would require two drives reading continuously all the time at each end to read the data being received and two drives writing continuously to write the data being sent now, this isn't taking into account the horrible latency in this network connection ;-) but it means that if there is much of any transportation the data can be moved around to make it available. this won't work for interactive services, but it will work for e-mail, data requests, etc. now this is obviously overkill and beyond what is reasonable to try and implement for one data link in the wilderness, but this sort of thing is being done today, in first-world countries to move large scientific datasets around. 20 drives cost ~$4k, shipping them 2nd day will cost ~$200/shipment so shipping this 15 times in a month is ~$3k and result in ~2Gb/sec in bandwidth. you won't get 2Gb/sec in connectivity for this price (assuming that you can get it to your location in the first place) David Lang cheers, Sameer Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just need to threaten to build it." I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of > vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to > the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the > Internet. Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing. There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers could very well fill in a large part of the gap. cheers, Sameer > Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive > government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. > Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on > making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost > tablet devices. > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < >> bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html >>> >>> "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, >>> half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, >>> despite >>> an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." >>> >>> Well, that's cool. >>> >>> Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess >>> with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether >>> this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. >>> >>> --Ben >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >>> >> More than anything I find this quote amusing: >> >> "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just >> need to threaten to build it." >> >> I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, >> threaten to create content... :-) >> >> Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! >> >> Sameer >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
About near-zero connectivity cost, i came across the caua project http://www.projectcaua.org/ OLPC, and/or others could begin to support these kind of ideas. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of > vaporware come into being. The limiting factor in bringing computing to > the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the > Internet. Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages > without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed > most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, > not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low > cost tablet devices. > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html >>> >>> "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, >>> half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, >>> despite >>> an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." >>> >>> Well, that's cool. >>> >>> Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess >>> with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether >>> this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. >>> >>> --Ben >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >> >> More than anything I find this quote amusing: >> >> "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just >> need to threaten to build it." >> >> I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, >> threaten to create content... :-) >> >> Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! >> >> Sameer >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < > bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > >> >> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html >> >> "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, >> half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite >> an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." >> >> Well, that's cool. >> >> Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess >> with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether >> this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. >> >> --Ben >> >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > More than anything I find this quote amusing: > > "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just > need to threaten to build it." > > I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, > threaten to create content... :-) > > Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! > > Sameer > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz < bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > > http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html > > "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, > half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite > an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." > > Well, that's cool. > > Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess > with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether > this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. > > --Ben > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > More than anything I find this quote amusing: "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just need to threaten to build it." I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
Perhaps a 2GHz quad-core? ARM Cortex-A9 is already dual core and up to 2GHz. Best regards On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > Hi All. > > 8-ghz processor ?. > > > Rafael Ortiz > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz > wrote: >> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html >> >> "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, >> half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite >> an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." >> >> Well, that's cool. >> >> Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess >> with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether >> this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. >> >> --Ben >> >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:57, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > Hi All. > > 8-ghz processor ?. I guess it's better to rely on the info here, if you need to: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20091222005779&newsLang=en Regards, Tomeu > > Rafael Ortiz > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz > wrote: >> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html >> >> "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, >> half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite >> an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." >> >> Well, that's cool. >> >> Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess >> with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether >> this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. >> >> --Ben >> >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
Hi All. 8-ghz processor ?. Rafael Ortiz On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html > > "It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, > half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite > an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75." > > Well, that's cool. > > Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess > with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether > this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. > > --Ben > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
