Re: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com wrote: Copy of my blog post on the experience of installing Sugar on Asus Eee 701 Sugar on the Eee I wanted to put Sugar on an Asus Eee 701 for my niece. Thanks to Trademe I could pick one up at a reasonable price. For those that know me well, yes I had some help with setting up Sugar and yes I had some help with writing this post. SOAS Strawberry runs well on the Eee, but you can't really install it. There are various guides, which basically consist of Install anaconda Run liveinst Fight with partitioning (hint, don't choose automatic, choose custom, delete everything and make an ext3 partition) Fix the resulting broken redhat installation with no graphical interface by installing the entire KDE stack and messing with inittab (note, you'll need a wired ethernet connection, or epic iwconfig fu) Install sugar The first work around was just to dd the SOAS usb image directly onto the Eee's drive. This was good, the Eee boots quickly and starts sugar by default, however our USB image was only 1GB so we couldn't use the rest of the disk, and the journal complained that it was full, even when it wasn't. I think the journal problem was probably to do with the tricks the live image performs to boot of read only media, since we did a byte-for-byte copy of the live image, these are all still present when booting from the Eee's drive. I'm told a future version of SOAS may support installation to the hard disk. The current solution is the Ubuntu Netbook Remix and Sugar from alsroot's PPA. I used the Karmic Koala Beta and updated to the latest packages. This wasn't entirely plain sailing, Sugar's web browse activity didn't work until I did apt-get build-dep python-hulahop, see this bug. This has made the Eee a really nice platform, you can alt tab between Sugar and your other apps but not the netbook remix menu thing, so you can't start new non-sugar apps without quitting Sugar. The only real problem is the Eee 701's low res screen - not all activities are designed to shrink this far, Scratch being the most missed example as it is my nieces favourite. The things you do (or your helper does) to please a nine year old. Big thanks to said helper for giving up about 10 hours more than I thought we needed. Sharing the experience, I hope that this helps the developers see where the issues were and that next time I try this (I have another Eee ready) that it is easy to see improvements - I can wait a while ;-) You could use the current Fedora 11 Gnome LiveCD to install that and sugar is only around 20-30 meg on top of the standard gnome desktop and it will give you the same version of sugar but you'll probably get better hardware support for the 701. You can also do the same with the Fedora 12 Beta which works very well on the 701 and get the 0.86 release of sugar. Once you have sugar installed you can easily remove the gnome desktop or leave there as a second option. Regards, Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 08:36 +, Peter Robinson wrote: You could use the current Fedora 11 Gnome LiveCD to install that and sugar is only around 20-30 meg on top of the standard gnome desktop and it will give you the same version of sugar but you'll probably get better hardware support for the 701. You can also do the same with the Fedora 12 Beta which works very well on the 701 and get the 0.86 release of sugar. Once you have sugar installed you can easily remove the gnome desktop or leave there as a second option. Noting that I rely on technical assistance being an educator not a techie, the moment it got harder than insert USB and follow easy GUI install guide, my helper came along. Here is his response: having had a less than stellar experience with SOAS fedora, and my most recent previous experience of redhat involved choosing between RPM hell, red carpet (which would screw your system), yum (which would screw your system, or apt-get (which would screw your system in ways you didn't think were possible), I thought I'd stay with what I know and use ubuntu (I know, that redhat package management stuff is ancient history and yum seems to work fine now, I only mention it to illustrate that I last used redhat in the dark ages, a kind soul on irc told me that yum won that battle) the netbook remix seems to be working well on the eee, although I only used it for about an 10 minutes before handing off to the 9 year old The guys at https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam are apparently actively working to package sugar for ubuntu, so I'll try that out next time ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com wrote: Copy of my blog post on the experience of installing Sugar on Asus Eee 701 Sugar on the Eee I wanted to put Sugar on an Asus Eee 701 for my niece. Thanks to Trademe I could pick one up at a reasonable price. For those that know me well, yes I had some help with setting up Sugar and yes I had some help with writing this post. SOAS Strawberry runs well on the Eee, but you can't really install it. There are various guides, which basically consist of First, the most interesting and handy thing about a netbook, is the ease of booting off removeable media. Many of my friends use SD cards to try out different OS. That said, you can do a full install from SOAS using the zyx-liveinstaller. You can download it http://filteredperception.org/smiley/projects/zyx-liveinstaller/ and install it with rpm and then run it. It will install to any disk, either the built in SSD or a removable USB or SD card. This is just one option, of course. Dave Install anaconda Run liveinst Fight with partitioning (hint, don't choose automatic, choose custom, delete everything and make an ext3 partition) Fix the resulting broken redhat installation with no graphical interface by installing the entire KDE stack and messing with inittab (note, you'll need a wired ethernet connection, or epic iwconfig fu) Install sugar The first work around was just to dd the SOAS usb image directly onto the Eee's drive. This was good, the Eee boots quickly and starts sugar by default, however our USB image was only 1GB so we couldn't use the rest of the disk, and the journal complained that it was full, even when it wasn't. I think the journal problem was probably to do with the tricks the live image performs to boot of read only media, since we did a byte-for-byte copy of the live image, these are all still present when booting from the Eee's drive. I'm told a future version of SOAS may support installation to the hard disk. The current solution is the Ubuntu Netbook Remix and Sugar from alsroot's PPA. I used the Karmic Koala Beta and updated to the latest packages. This wasn't entirely plain sailing, Sugar's web browse activity didn't work until I did apt-get build-dep python-hulahop, see this bug. This has made the Eee a really nice platform, you can alt tab between Sugar and your other apps but not the netbook remix menu thing, so you can't start new non-sugar apps without quitting Sugar. The only real problem is the Eee 701's low res screen - not all activities are designed to shrink this far, Scratch being the most missed example as it is my nieces favourite. The things you do (or your helper does) to please a nine year old. Big thanks to said helper for giving up about 10 hours more than I thought we needed. Sharing the experience, I hope that this helps the developers see where the issues were and that next time I try this (I have another Eee ready) that it is easy to see improvements - I can wait a while ;-) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
