new mailing list for other distros?
I will have my two XO's there, I will try to have them running different flavors of DebXO (from USB sticks if nothing else, but quite possibly from the NAND), since the future direction is to have them run relativly standard distros, having examples of the different distros would be nice. Would it be good to create a new separate mailman developer list for non XO OS (Fedora + Sugar) other linux distro ports? (debxo, ubuntu xo, fedora xo etc) And then keep devel for main XO OS to avoid clutter? In relation to this and other distros, I believe that if more average people who like to tinker with their gadgets got their hands on XOs, the OLPC homebrew scene would absolutely explode, be self sustaining, and I think would actually contribute more upstream to OLPC. To put things in perspective, the XO IMHO is the hacker-developer-friendliest gadget in existence. For starters, take a look at the following scenes: the sidebar of http://dcemu.co.uk/ for gadget homebrew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_(video_games) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_emulator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom_hacking All these other console/device platforms are very developer-hostile (except the GP2X) compared to the XO where you can create all kinds of stuff with so many different kinds of languages, and yet the homebrew scene is very much lively! As long as a disclaimer exists that official XO support is only mainly for deployments and official XO OS (meaning consumers should turn to the homebrew peeps and not the OLPC team for support), the XO developer scene would be quite active should the XO be made available to average consumers. Maintaining an OS + creating apps for it is a herculean task and I applaud the OLPC dev team for having accomplished such. The usage of more standard distros on the XO though, would mean way more developers available developers. I think the only thing that prevents a more lively OLPC developer scene is availability of units to techie users. I really hope OLPC would look into a new model to get XOs into the hands of average consumers (like the oft-repeated sell em for minor profit which would go into funding OLPC). G1G1 is really too expensive and the Contributors program is a bit... weird. The Contributors program entails that the project leader would actively work on the project you signed on to do, whereas owning an XO would allow the user-developer to tinker around the XO at his/her own pace and do all sorts of eclectic dev-hackery. Also, there really is no substitute for developers getting their hands on actual XO-1 units because experiencing the CPU RAM limitations really, really drive the point home on how optimized apps need to be for the XO. (I mean wow. Flash apps really need a ton of optimization, especially since the screen has way higher resolution than smartphones and thus eat more rasterization CPU power) Off-topic, $250 a pop would be a sweet spot if that provides enough profit to fund OLPC considering that the $250-$300 niche is already filled with models that provide way more horsepower than the XO-1 (yes, we can say that's not XO's objective niche!, but consumers will still look at cpu,ramstorage whatever anyone says). Anyway, just a few thoughts. Cheers! -Naz -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- user group manager phlashers: philippine flash actionscripters adobe flash/flex/air community http://www.phlashers.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:14:05PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: I will have my two XO's there, I will try to have them running different flavors of DebXO (from USB sticks if nothing else, but quite possibly from the NAND), since the future direction is to have them run relativly standard distros, having examples of the different distros would be nice. Would it be good to create a new separate mailman developer list for non XO OS (Fedora + Sugar) other linux distro ports? (debxo, ubuntu xo, fedora xo etc) And then keep devel for main XO OS to avoid clutter? I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. Off-topic, $250 a pop would be a sweet spot if that provides enough profit to fund OLPC considering that the $250-$300 niche is already filled with models that provide way more horsepower than the XO-1 (yes, we can say that's not XO's objective niche!, but consumers will still look at cpu,ramstorage whatever anyone says). In summary, you'd like to see a lower price. I agree, but I don't see it happening soon, because although an XO is a fantastic hacker tool, we're really doing it for the kids who aren't yet hackers. The other products out there that have multiple other purposes, and ship in quantities far greater than the XO, will have a lower price until the XO ships in similar quantities. -- James Cameronmailto:qu...@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:14:05PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: I will have my two XO's there, I will try to have them running different flavors of DebXO (from USB sticks if nothing else, but quite possibly from the NAND), since the future direction is to have them run relativly standard distros, having examples of the different distros would be nice. Would it be good to create a new separate mailman developer list for non XO OS (Fedora + Sugar) other linux distro ports? (debxo, ubuntu xo, fedora xo etc) And then keep devel for main XO OS to avoid clutter? I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. I'd go further and say that things are already too fragmented. the fact that the DebXO maintainer didn't know that much of the discussion that he needed to know about had migrated to a fedora mailing list is not a good sign. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
da...@lang.hm wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:14:05PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: I will have my two XO's there, I will try to have them running different flavors of DebXO (from USB sticks if nothing else, but quite possibly from the NAND), since the future direction is to have them run relativly standard distros, having examples of the different distros would be nice. Would it be good to create a new separate mailman developer list for non XO OS (Fedora + Sugar) other linux distro ports? (debxo, ubuntu xo, fedora xo etc) And then keep devel for main XO OS to avoid clutter? I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. I'd go further and say that things are already too fragmented. the fact that the DebXO maintainer didn't know that much of the discussion that he needed to know about had migrated to a fedora mailing list is not a good sign. i'm unaware of that particular case, but i agree completely on this point. it would be far far better to eliminate lists than create new ones at this point. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. I'd go further and say that things are already too fragmented. the fact that the DebXO maintainer didn't know that much of the discussion that he needed to know about had migrated to a fedora mailing list is not a good sign. That's interesting, can you point to the conversation, alot of the stuff I send to the Fedora-olpc list is regarding Fedora packages etc, so it would be useful from my point of view what the discussion was so I at least keep stuff that would be useful to other distros on this list. Generally though, I agree with keeping the discussion on this list rather than splitting it up so general hardware issues etc that would more than likely be relevant to all distros are central. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM, qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:14:05PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: I will have my two XO's there, I will try to have them running different flavors of DebXO (from USB sticks if nothing else, but quite possibly from the NAND), since the future direction is to have them run relativly standard distros, having examples of the different distros would be nice. Would it be good to create a new separate mailman developer list for non XO OS (Fedora + Sugar) other linux distro ports? (debxo, ubuntu xo, fedora xo etc) And then keep devel for main XO OS to avoid clutter? I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. Off-topic, $250 a pop would be a sweet spot if that provides enough profit to fund OLPC considering that the $250-$300 niche is already filled with models that provide way more horsepower than the XO-1 (yes, we can say that's not XO's objective niche!, but consumers will still look at cpu,ramstorage whatever anyone says). In summary, you'd like to see a lower price. I agree, but I don't see it happening soon, because although an XO is a fantastic hacker tool, we're really doing it for the kids who aren't yet hackers. The other products out there that have multiple other purposes, and ship in quantities far greater than the XO, will have a lower price until the XO ships in similar quantities. Will similar quantities ever be attainable without embracing the general consumer market? I'd say you're past the we just need the kids in developing countries as the way to reach the project's goals. Best regards, Tiago Marques -- James Cameronmailto:qu...@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Peter Robinson wrote: I disagree. There is no clutter now, and concentrating all the XO hardware related discussions here is very valuable. Splitting by distribution would halt collaboration. I'd go further and say that things are already too fragmented. the fact that the DebXO maintainer didn't know that much of the discussion that he needed to know about had migrated to a fedora mailing list is not a good sign. That's interesting, can you point to the conversation see the tail end of the thread 'Please update etoys in 8.2.1' around Feb 6 , alot of the stuff I send to the Fedora-olpc list is regarding Fedora packages etc, so it would be useful from my point of view what the discussion was so I at least keep stuff that would be useful to other distros on this list. Generally though, I agree with keeping the discussion on this list rather than splitting it up so general hardware issues etc that would more than likely be relevant to all distros are central. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new mailing list for other distros?
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:42 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: I'd go further and say that things are already too fragmented. +1. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
