Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > A bug report on the camera problem with FlashPlayer 10 on the XO-1 was > submitted 19 months ago to the OLPC Trac and nothing's been done with it Didn't know that there was an existing bug report. Great! We see a lot of problems mentioned in the list that rarely get formally reported, so one of my instinctive reactions is to ask people to file them, and to reassure them we'll be interested. Your fave bug has been pending for a long time? You're not the only one. We're a ridiculously short-handed non-profit, helped by volunteers that -- as volunteers -- pick on their own volition what they help us on. Maybe a volunteer will pick your bug to work on, maybe Adobe will step up to the plate. Have fun, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > maybe getting FlashPlayer to > run correctly on Sugar is a non-issue by now I think it Just Works, but if there are technical issues we will be interested in hearing about them and exploring solutions. Let us know how it goes, file bugs and/or report on this list. > Let's all get back to making things work, rather than just talking about > them. Yes! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring
Hi, Martin, Thanks for your reply. When you said to "just install Flash", your brevity actually was helpful. It made me think that maybe getting FlashPlayer to run correctly on Sugar is a non-issue by now. I plan to retry the Flash and browser downloads from the wiki. They seem to have been improved since I first started working on this last year. In any case, I've said my thoughts about Flash on the XO, and probably didn't change anyone's mind about anything. 'Nuf said. You're right about my role. Sonya's the educator. I'm the geek. Let's all get back to making things work, rather than just talking about them. Stan === On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Hi, > > sorry I'm brief (to the unfortunate point of rudeness) -- I am working > 30hr days in a 60K deployment. Which happens to want to use Flash. In > fact I just helped the local team find adobe.com and we are adding the > relevant rpm to the build. > > I find it puzzling that there is so much over the top drama. Situation > is simple. > > "Mainstream users" get their XO from a deployment -- it's up to the > deployment team to define the OS (inc Flash), and they have no prob > rolling it into the image. > > Other users (those that get OLPC's images) are usually developers... > who can hopefully rpm -i MyFaveRuntime-1.2.4.rpm with no problem. > Sonya has you as resident geek I can guess, so it is up to you to do > the rpm magic -- I have similar duties at home as the resident geek. > > There is the G1G1 crowd as a 3rd group. If you care about them, get a > Flash enthusiasts gang and spin an image with Flash (get Adobe's ok, > of course). > > There is no drama to justify these huge discussions. Let's see the end > of this thread. > > > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring
Hi, sorry I'm brief (to the unfortunate point of rudeness) -- I am working 30hr days in a 60K deployment. Which happens to want to use Flash. In fact I just helped the local team find adobe.com and we are adding the relevant rpm to the build. I find it puzzling that there is so much over the top drama. Situation is simple. "Mainstream users" get their XO from a deployment -- it's up to the deployment team to define the OS (inc Flash), and they have no prob rolling it into the image. Other users (those that get OLPC's images) are usually developers... who can hopefully rpm -i MyFaveRuntime-1.2.4.rpm with no problem. Sonya has you as resident geek I can guess, so it is up to you to do the rpm magic -- I have similar duties at home as the resident geek. There is the G1G1 crowd as a 3rd group. If you care about them, get a Flash enthusiasts gang and spin an image with Flash (get Adobe's ok, of course). There is no drama to justify these huge discussions. Let's see the end of this thread. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring
Martin, Sonya wanted me to reply on her behalf. I have written a brief explanation of our attempts to "just install Flash" on the XO with the ex-factory, that is, the factory installed, operating system. I just sent it to the developers' list.What someone like Sonya needs is an OS on the XO that has Adobe FlashPlayer installed ex-factory, or easily added by downloading it, but the story of Flash on the XO is not so simple. Since OPLC's developers seem to want nothing to do with the proprietary, but free to use, FlashPlayer, and since Gnash isn't even running a close second place to FlashPlayer, someone who wants to use Flash-based web applications is stuck unless he/she knows enough about computers to go around Sugar and get FlashPlayer and a browser that plays nicely with it. She was hoping to create a tutoring capability that works within Sugar, but building it from scratch using Python and Sugar just isn't feasible nor cost-effective when web apps already exist to do what she needs, just not within Sugar. I'm hoping that when the new version of Fedora for XO-1.5 is released, a backport to XO-1 will also be released, and that it will support FlashPlayer, the real one from Adobe, without requiring the user to be an IT expert. Stan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Hi - > > just install Flash. You don't need anything from me or OLPC. > > kind regards, > > > martin > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Sonya Sokolow > wrote: > > 4/12/10 12:40pm CA time > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > I am Sonya Sokolow, PhD, owner of Internet Math Tutoring (IMT): > > http://www.internetmathtutoring.com . I also maintain the blog about > using > > XO's in Africa and India for IMT: > http://www.internetmathtutoring.com/olpc > > . > > > > In my experience, having a web cam and an interactive white board as > tools > > for internet math tutoring make the teaching very much more effective > than > > having only type chat or delayed email responses. I use > http://www.Vyew.com > > as an interactive whiteboard. It is flash-based. I use an SD card on > the > > XO which my husband Stanley Sokolow made for me. I hope that soon in > the > > future I won't have to use the SD card anymore. That is, I am hoping > that > > the XO's will become compatible with Flash. > > > > > > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
