Re: [OMPI devel] Open-MPI build of NAMD launched from srun over 20% slowed than with mpirun

2013-09-05 Thread Christopher Samuel
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Hi Ralph,

On 05/09/13 12:50, Ralph Castain wrote:

> Jeff and I were looking at a similar issue today and suddenly 
> realized that the mappings were different - i.e., what ranks are
> on what nodes differs depending on how you launch. You might want
> to check if that's the issue here as well. Just launch the
> attached program using mpirun vs srun and check to see if the maps
> are the same or not.

Very interesting, the ranks to node mappings are identical in all
cases (mpirun and srun for 1.6.5 and my test 1.7.3 snapshot) but what
is different is as follows.


For the 1.6.5 build I see mpirun report:

number 0 universe size 64 universe envar 64

whereas srun report:

number 1 universe size 64 universe envar NULL



For the 1.7.3 snapshot both report "number 0" so the only difference
there is that mpirun has:

envar 64

whereas srun has:

envar NULL


Are these differences significant?

I'm intrigued that the problem child (srun 1.6.5) is the only one
where number is 1.

All the best,
Chris
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Re: [OMPI devel] Open-MPI build of NAMD launched from srun over 20% slowed than with mpirun

2013-09-05 Thread Ralph Castain
No, nothing significant there. Afraid I've exhausted my thoughts on why the 
difference might exist.

Anyone else care to chime in?

On Sep 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Christopher Samuel  wrote:

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> Hi Ralph,
> 
> On 05/09/13 12:50, Ralph Castain wrote:
> 
>> Jeff and I were looking at a similar issue today and suddenly 
>> realized that the mappings were different - i.e., what ranks are
>> on what nodes differs depending on how you launch. You might want
>> to check if that's the issue here as well. Just launch the
>> attached program using mpirun vs srun and check to see if the maps
>> are the same or not.
> 
> Very interesting, the ranks to node mappings are identical in all
> cases (mpirun and srun for 1.6.5 and my test 1.7.3 snapshot) but what
> is different is as follows.
> 
> 
> For the 1.6.5 build I see mpirun report:
> 
> number 0 universe size 64 universe envar 64
> 
> whereas srun report:
> 
> number 1 universe size 64 universe envar NULL
> 
> 
> 
> For the 1.7.3 snapshot both report "number 0" so the only difference
> there is that mpirun has:
> 
> envar 64
> 
> whereas srun has:
> 
> envar NULL
> 
> 
> Are these differences significant?
> 
> I'm intrigued that the problem child (srun 1.6.5) is the only one
> where number is 1.
> 
> All the best,
> Chris
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Re: [OMPI devel] Open-MPI build of NAMD launched from srun over 20% slowed than with mpirun

2013-09-05 Thread Hjelm, Nathan T
I assume that process binding is enabled for both mpirun and srun? If not that 
could account for a difference between the runtimes.

-Nathan

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No, nothing significant there. Afraid I've exhausted my thoughts on why the 
difference might exist.

Anyone else care to chime in?

On Sep 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Christopher Samuel  wrote:

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> Hi Ralph,
>
> On 05/09/13 12:50, Ralph Castain wrote:
>
>> Jeff and I were looking at a similar issue today and suddenly
>> realized that the mappings were different - i.e., what ranks are
>> on what nodes differs depending on how you launch. You might want
>> to check if that's the issue here as well. Just launch the
>> attached program using mpirun vs srun and check to see if the maps
>> are the same or not.
>
> Very interesting, the ranks to node mappings are identical in all
> cases (mpirun and srun for 1.6.5 and my test 1.7.3 snapshot) but what
> is different is as follows.
>
>
> For the 1.6.5 build I see mpirun report:
>
> number 0 universe size 64 universe envar 64
>
> whereas srun report:
>
> number 1 universe size 64 universe envar NULL
>
>
>
> For the 1.7.3 snapshot both report "number 0" so the only difference
> there is that mpirun has:
>
> envar 64
>
> whereas srun has:
>
> envar NULL
>
>
> Are these differences significant?
>
> I'm intrigued that the problem child (srun 1.6.5) is the only one
> where number is 1.
>
> All the best,
> Chris
> - --
> Christopher SamuelSenior Systems Administrator
> VLSCI - Victorian Life Sciences Computation Initiative
> Email: sam...@unimelb.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)3 903 55545
> http://www.vlsci.org.au/  http://twitter.com/vlsci
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