Re: [SailfishDevel] Flatpak for Sailfish
Hi! Single instance handling has always been broken for Sailfish OS 3. Not even different .desktop files with different Exec entries like these are working, as they are probably both interpreted as "python3": |Exec=python3 /path/to/application/app1.py | ||Exec=python3 /path/to/application/app2.py| | See https://together.jolla.com/question/193960/problem-with-excec-and-single-instance-in-desktop-files-on-sailfish-os-3/ (Fortunately for the Python applications there's a workaround: start both apps within a second or so...) Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Linux desktop software on Sailfish?
On 3/6/2018 11:28 PM, tuntematon wrote: Wasn't Maemo GTK based? Qt came with Harmattan/Meego. I'm using Python. On Maemo the Python Qt bindings 'PySide' were perfectly usable with a native look and feel. On Sailfish, I'm using PyQt, but the 'traditional' Qt widgets look like on Windows, i.e. with a very non-native look and feel. It's not that Sailfish comes with Qt. Effectively it's more that Qt comes with Sailfish and there are no other GUI options. Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Linux desktop software on Sailfish?
On 3/6/2018 3:48 PM, Pekka Vuorela wrote: Linux desktop and Sailfish OS are kind of mutually exclusive things in the sense the Sailfish provides a home screen, i.e. "desktop". Gkt+ applications could perhaps be possible, but not necessarily an API that is going to get official support. Also desktop applications and widget sets don't likely work nicely on a small mobile device as they have not been commonly developed with finger usability in mind. Sure, but with a device like the Gemini PDA that is not really an issue as it has a keyboard and also a mouse can be connected. So, keyboard control can be used for most things, the screen size is not reduced by a on-screen keyboard and for some applications where one really needs fine control, a mouse can be connected. Also, external monitor and keyboard may be connnected, so usage scenarios like Windows Continuum, Ubuntu Convergence or Samsung DeX would be possible without additional effort. On Maemo, the standard Qt widgets were perfectly integrated. With Sailfish OS this is not gonna happen. That's clear, but not an issue here as it would require adaption per application. It would be sufficient to be able to build e.g. gtk applications and start them full-screen. Things like drag between windows would obviously not work. The perfect solution would be a desktop running as another full-screen showing all applications that are not full-screen. Maemo had some application like word processor or spreadsheet. With keyboard and stylus they were really usable. The keyboard contributed to the usability more than the stylus. Without keyboard and stylus there's no useful scenario... Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Linux desktop software on Sailfish?
On 3/1/2018 11:50 PM, szo...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on what app you want to run, some will probably never move to wayland and xwayland will be the only option to run them. More active/newer apps will probably at some point compile without any X lib dependencies, but it will take a while (at least mir is dead) Sure, but the mainstream is moving towards Wayland. When looking a my Ubuntu VM, the software situation looks good. So XWayland would be a nice-to-have, but for the majority of users and software, pure Wayland should be fine. If an application will not move to Wayland, then it's probably more or less dead already... Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Linux desktop software on Sailfish?
On 3/1/2018 11:26 PM, szo...@gmail.com wrote: There's xwayland, but only 'working' option (touch/sound) is buggy chroot of arch or ubuntu: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=98882 (managed to get it working on tablet with sound only during sfos notifications but would crash/reboot rather soon after initiating, not really usable, maybe with gemini more ppl look into it) From a quick check, it seems that e.g. gtk supports Wayland. Also, Ubuntu 17 uses Wayland by default. So I would guess that X compatibility is not a must nowadays and probably not the way to go. Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Linux desktop software on Sailfish?
Hi! In the last days Planet Computers started shipping the Gemini PDA which has Android installed by default but features a Linux dual boot option. There will be an option to install Sailfish OS as the Linux OS. For most buyers the motivation to buy the device is not just Android with a keyboard but the option to use it as a productivity device, including office applications and development software. Currently the only option for this usage scenario is Debian. Ubuntu should follow soon. Is there a realistic option to have e.g. gtk and a Linux desktop on Sailfish OS? A Sailfish OS with Android compatibility and Linux productivity applications would be the perfect OS for the Gemini PDA. Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Available now: Sailfish Community Device Program and Jolla C
On 14.06.2016 18:38, Chris Walker wrote: I think you're all missing the point. Yes I screwed up by mis-reading the time BUT, I got an email at 12 o'clock UK time saying that the devices were now available when plainly they weren't. They had all been sold by then. So I claim the email mis-represented the state of the store. Hence why I was pissed off. I'm a bit surprised, as I got mine exactly at 12:01 CEST, which was in time to order. And according to the headers of my mail server, the mail to this list was also at 12:00 CEST. Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Signals not received when screen is locked
Hi! I think that with the last OS updates the energy saving mechanisms are too aggressive. I'm using PyQt with Python 3. After update 10 (and probably already 9) I don't always receive the relevant signals from a QMediaPlayer object. A few seconds after the screen is locked, I don't receive these signals any more: - positionChanged - mediaStatusChanged - stateChanged Well, I can live without positionChanged while the screen is locked, but at least one of the others still should work. The QTimer signals behave similar, so I would assume that the whole Qt event loop is affected. Currently the only workaround seems to have a second non-Qt thread to poll for any changes. Is there a better solution? Can I e.g. register some events that should always be delivered? Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Python and Qt Widgets development possible?
Am 11.02.2014 16:51, schrieb Marcin M.: Don't know much about Qt theming capability but you could try installing some custom theme for plain Qt, as Maemo does. But sitll there'll be no native lookfeel Themes would only change the look. Things like dialogs, multiple windows, menus etc. still would not behave as expected. Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Python and Qt Widgets development possible?
Am 11.02.2014 20:14, schrieb Marcin M.: But they could make the UI usable on mobile phones, as it's done in Fremantle. I can send you a screenshot with the app themed and not themed. I tried my Maemo/Fremantle app without a theme. As I would like to stay compatible to Maemo and Windows, I would prefer the QtWidgets solution for some time. The major problems: - When I open a second window, on Maemo I use the stacked windows attribute. On Sailfish that's not available, so a second window opens. The second window then is shown on its own in the multitasking view. This could probably be fixed using QStackedWidgets, though. - The menu bar is shown just like in Windows not as pulleye. When you open the menu, again a full window is opened. If that could be fixed using a theme, that would really be cool, but I have my doubts that this is possible. If I had the same problems on Windows, I would assume that I could get the (window) handles of the underlying windows/widgets/whatever and do some win32 calls to fix the problems. Maybe on Sailfish that's possible as well, but there's no documentation... Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] Python and Qt Widgets development possible?
Hi! Until now I have been using PySide to write Qt Widgets applications that were running fine under Windows and Maemo. With some if/else I got native look feel on both platforms. Now I've tried the same with PyQt5 on Sailfish OS and the application looks like a Windows application and even opens new windows when I e.g. open the menu. Unfortunately it seems that QML is the only way to get native look and feel. Am I right? Switching to QML/Qt Quick seems a major effort and especially, it is very un-pythonic to use this mixture of two languages. Even when I switch, it seems that there's quite some effort to stay compatible over multiple platforms as you more or less have to use Silica components on Sailfish OS and on the other hand I won't gain usability on a mouse based platform like Windows. With Maemo I had the impression that it was quite easy to port any GUI application and get at least a reasonable UI. Seems that this is not true with Sailfish OS any more. You have to choose between all or nothing... Regards, Dietmar ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
