Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Nils Faerber
Hello!
For a project I need XFree >= 4.1 but with IGS (Intergraphics) Cyberpro
2010 driver. I browsed the current CVS tree and the IGS directory is
empty. Is this driver dropped?
Or simply not in CVS?
Or, does anyone have a patch for it?

Help welcome ;)
The only X I could find is a very old Linux lbc-5 XFree86-3.3.2 binary
and the corresponding patch for it...

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Nils Faerber wrote:

Hello!
For a project I need XFree >= 4.1 but with IGS (Intergraphics) Cyberpro
2010 driver. I browsed the current CVS tree and the IGS directory is
empty. Is this driver dropped?
Or simply not in CVS?
Or, does anyone have a patch for it?

Help welcome ;)
The only X I could find is a very old Linux lbc-5 XFree86-3.3.2 binary
and the corresponding patch for it...


It was in the tree, but removed since it was unsupported.

You can still get the original code from CVS if you go back
far enough.  It was from the DEC DNARD project for BSD, so you
can still get it from:

http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/info/source-download.html

If you get it back in, I'd be very grateful as I need to head
down that path, again.  I'm trying to port the latest XFree to
the NetWinder (ARM V4, Cyberpro 2000, 2010, Linux).  I worked on
the NetWinder driver about 5 years ago now, so an update is long
overdue.  Right now I'm just trying to get it to build sans
server.

You can't get the docs for the chips, unless you have a corporate
account.  The SDK's cost about $25k for the complete set.  Some
of the docs are on the net (not the SDK's) if you search hard
enough (like look in my bookmarks), but it is only a register
description and I'm unsure of it's legal status.

Feel free to contact me directly if I can help in any way.

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Nils Faerber
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:01:00 -0500
"Andrew E. Mileski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nils Faerber wrote:
> > Hello!
> > For a project I need XFree >= 4.1 but with IGS (Intergraphics)
> > Cyberpro 2010 driver. I browsed the current CVS tree and the IGS
> > directory is empty. Is this driver dropped?
> > Or simply not in CVS?
> > Or, does anyone have a patch for it?
> > 
> > Help welcome ;)
> > The only X I could find is a very old Linux lbc-5 XFree86-3.3.2
> > binary and the corresponding patch for it...
> 
> It was in the tree, but removed since it was unsupported.

I can understand this but it is a little inconvenient for those who
could make use of it :)

> You can still get the original code from CVS if you go back
> far enough.  It was from the DEC DNARD project for BSD, so you
> can still get it from:
> 
> http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/info/source-download.html

It is still referenced there but this links to gatekeeper.dec.com into
/provate/shark1/ which is empty by now :(

> If you get it back in, I'd be very grateful as I need to head
> down that path, again.  I'm trying to port the latest XFree to
> the NetWinder (ARM V4, Cyberpro 2000, 2010, Linux).  I worked on
> the NetWinder driver about 5 years ago now, so an update is long
> overdue.  Right now I'm just trying to get it to build sans
> server.

Oh ... I am in a little hurry :( This project has to just use the driver
and has to be completed in roughly three weeks. So I doubt that I'll
find the time to port some version to any other.

> You can't get the docs for the chips, unless you have a corporate
> account.  The SDK's cost about $25k for the complete set.  Some
> of the docs are on the net (not the SDK's) if you search hard
> enough (like look in my bookmarks), but it is only a register
> description and I'm unsure of it's legal status.

Oh oh!
I don't want to develop this on my own, please not ;)
I need some working solution. I would compile an exsiting tree, yes, but
for more I don't have the time, sorry...

> Feel free to contact me directly if I can help in any way.

Many thanks for your quick help/response!

Oh ... do you have a copy of the DEC sources?
Could you put this up somewhere where I could download it?

> Andrew E. Mileski
> Ottawa, Canada
CU
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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Andrew E. Mileski wrote:

Nils Faerber wrote:

For a project I need XFree >= 4.1 but with IGS (Intergraphics) Cyberpro
2010 driver. I browsed the current CVS tree and the IGS directory is
empty. Is this driver dropped?
Or simply not in CVS?
Or, does anyone have a patch for it?


It was in the tree, but removed since it was unsupported.

You can still get the original code from CVS if you go back
far enough.


It is still in the attic:
http://www.xfree86.org/devel/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/igs/Attic/

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Nils Faerber wrote:

Oh oh!
I don't want to develop this on my own, please not ;)
I need some working solution. I would compile an exsiting tree, yes, but
for more I don't have the time, sorry...


I'm doing this port again as a favor to the NetWinder community,
so I'm not being payed to work on it full-time like I was back
then.  It will be a while before I attack the server source again,
as I'm still working on porting the libs and such at this time.
It also takes a LONG time to compile X on a 275 Mhz StrongARM!


Oh ... do you have a copy of the DEC sources?
Could you put this up somewhere where I could download it?


CVS link posted in other message.  You can download my last
SRPM for the 3.3 tree from NetWinder.ORG (I'm one of two
operators of the site):

ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/netwinder/SRPMS/dm/3.1-15/XFree86-3.3.3.1-36nw10.src.rpm

Given that you want a ready-made 4.* solution, I doubt the old
sources will be useful to you.

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Andrew E. Mileski wrote:

Given that you want a ready-made 4.* solution, I doubt the old
sources will be useful to you.


I was just reminded that the Debian folks have the Linux kernel
frame buffer driver working for the CP20x0 if you want to go that
route.  I don't know if it is accelerated though (and X with the
CP20x0 is dog slow without acceleration).

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Bernd Ernesti
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 10:01:00AM -0500, Andrew E. Mileski wrote:
[..]
> You can still get the original code from CVS if you go back
> far enough.  It was from the DEC DNARD project for BSD, so you
> can still get it from:
> 
> http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/info/source-download.html
[..]

> You can't get the docs for the chips, unless you have a corporate
> account.  The SDK's cost about $25k for the complete set.  Some
> of the docs are on the net (not the SDK's) if you search hard
> enough (like look in my bookmarks), but it is only a register
> description and I'm unsure of it's legal status.

Hmm, are you talking about this pdf:

434886 Sep 15  1997 2010Spgf.PDF

which was possible to get it from above url.

Bernd

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew E. Mileski
Bernd Ernesti wrote:

On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 10:01:00AM -0500, Andrew E. Mileski wrote:

You can't get the docs for the chips, unless you have a corporate
account.  The SDK's cost about $25k for the complete set.  Some
of the docs are on the net (not the SDK's) if you search hard
enough (like look in my bookmarks), but it is only a register
description and I'm unsure of it's legal status.


Hmm, are you talking about this pdf:

434886 Sep 15  1997 2010Spgf.PDF

which was possible to get it from above url.


Yes, the "Software Programmer's Guide" (SPG) is what I was
thinking of.  I've seen it in the password protected area of
the IGS (now TVIA) developer site, and I've never seen it
offered offically by them anywhere else, hence my comment.

I've tried many times to get them to disclose the docs and
SDK's for XFree development, even only to me under NDA, but
mention that the source is open and they suddenly go deaf
and silent.

It is rather hard to develop solely based on the SPG, given
that it is only a register description.  You get to find out
on your own ordering and timing constraints and such.  It is
possible though if you've seen enough of other chips, and
have enough time.

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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Don, 2003-01-23 at 17:39, Andrew E. Mileski wrote: 
> Andrew E. Mileski wrote:
> > Given that you want a ready-made 4.* solution, I doubt the old
> > sources will be useful to you.
> 
> I was just reminded that the Debian folks have the Linux kernel
> frame buffer driver working for the CP20x0 if you want to go that
> route.  I don't know if it is accelerated though (and X with the
> CP20x0 is dog slow without acceleration).

The fbdev driver doesn't have any hardware acceleration, but it can
still be very usable thanks to a shadow framebuffer.


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Re: Cyberpro 20x0 driver?

2003-01-27 Thread John Dennis
At at previous job I was responsible for XFree86 Cyberpro drivers. Tvia
(www.tvia.com) had supplied us with source code for their XFree86 4.x
Cyberpro driver that worked reasonably well. I did have to make a few
fixes and we did add some enhancements.

The point of this is that Tvia does develop and maintain XFree86 drivers
for their Cyberpro series. Why these are not available at least as
binary downloads from their web site eludes me. Tvia does try to earn
extra income from selling their SDK's. As of a year ago when I working
on this the SDK's did not include the XFree86 driver sources, we had to
obtain that separately. I suspect the reason Tvia has not open sourced
their driver is a function of their wanting to derive income from the
sale of their SDK's. My personal opion of their SDK's and their doc was
it was not worth the price they were asking. However, having said that,
I did find it essential to have the SDK's in order to work on the driver
because the SDK's provided example code to perform certain functions
which at the time were not part of the driver.

I think Tvia suffers the same type of myopia that many small vendors
suffer from. They would generate more income via increased hardware
sales by opening up their source pool then the amount of income they
generate by selling their marginal SDK's to a handful of partners. Maybe
it would be worthwhile for someone to press them on this issue.

John


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