Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Wow! This thread already generated 12 messages - this one is the 13th. How many possible future commercial release e-mails could substitute all the posts from this thread? Would we be around 2024 already or later, isn't it? Is there really no bigger problem in the cruel world right now these days than wondering whether the sent e-mail with info about commercial release can or can't be filtered conveniently enough out by interested people? How many of subscribers receive this e-mail thread and feel much more uncomfortable with this thread comparing to the rare info about commercial release (unwanted by some, apparently wanted by others)? Keep safe! Jarek From: Development on behalf of Albert Astals Cid Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 9:58 PM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released El dimecres, 28 de setembre de 2022, a les 21:23:57 (CEST), Lorn Potter va escriure: > On 27/9/2022 9:28 pm, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development > > mailing list! > > Please do *not* stop sending releasing information emails on this list. > I kinda like knowing about them. > > Release information, regardless of open source or commercial licensing, > is relevant to Qt development, even if you are an open source purist > and/or understand the realities of the software industry. If you want to learn about release announcements of Qt, you should subscribe to the list that precisely is about release announcements of Qt. https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/announce Best Regards, Albert ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
El dimecres, 28 de setembre de 2022, a les 21:23:57 (CEST), Lorn Potter va escriure: > On 27/9/2022 9:28 pm, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development > > mailing list! > > Please do *not* stop sending releasing information emails on this list. > I kinda like knowing about them. > > Release information, regardless of open source or commercial licensing, > is relevant to Qt development, even if you are an open source purist > and/or understand the realities of the software industry. If you want to learn about release announcements of Qt, you should subscribe to the list that precisely is about release announcements of Qt. https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/announce Best Regards, Albert ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
On 27/9/2022 9:28 pm, Konstantin Ritt wrote: Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development mailing list! Please do *not* stop sending releasing information emails on this list. I kinda like knowing about them. Release information, regardless of open source or commercial licensing, is relevant to Qt development, even if you are an open source purist and/or understand the realities of the software industry. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Yea apologies, when I said not a big deal, I meant not a big deal to me personally. Should have been clearer. Elvis Den ons 28 sep. 2022 00:51Konstantin Ritt skrev: > Ignoring a large part of the community IS a problem. > Most people won't say they aren't ok with something. Until it is too late > to say anything at all. > > Regards, > Konstantin > > > вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 23:02, Elvis Stansvik : > >> Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:52 skrev Elvis Stansvik : >> > >> > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira < >> thiago.macie...@intel.com>: >> > > >> > > On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: >> > > > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of >> > > > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to >> > > > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. >> > > > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't >> > > > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, >> which >> > > > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so >> > > > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. >> > > >> > > For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, >> because it >> > > sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. >> > >> > True :) >> > >> > Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some >> > value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those >> > who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. >> >> I guess it's just that I can understand Konstantin's sentiment, since >> it feels kind of unsolicited. When I signed up for this list, I >> solicited Qt development conversations. There is a list for >> announcements after all. It feels like I'm getting a newsletter I >> didn't sign up for, without a way to unsubscribe without losing all >> the Qt dev conversations that I do want to follow. >> >> But if most people are OK with it, no problem. It's not a big deal. >> >> Elvis >> >> > >> > Elvis >> > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com >> > > Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Development mailing list >> > > Development@qt-project.org >> > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development >> ___ >> Development mailing list >> Development@qt-project.org >> https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development >> > ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
On Mittwoch, 28. September 2022 10:31:52 CEST Volker Hilsheimer wrote: > > On 27 Sep 2022, at 22:01, Elvis Stansvik wrote: > > > > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:52 skrev Elvis Stansvik : > >> Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira : > >>> On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. > >>> > >>> For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, because > >>> it > >>> sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. > >> > >> True :) > >> > >> Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some > >> value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those > >> who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. > > > > I guess it's just that I can understand Konstantin's sentiment, since > > it feels kind of unsolicited. When I signed up for this list, I > > solicited Qt development conversations. There is a list for > > announcements after all. It feels like I'm getting a newsletter I > > didn't sign up for, without a way to unsubscribe without losing all > > the Qt dev conversations that I do want to follow. > > > > But if most people are OK with it, no problem. It's not a big deal. > > > > Elvis > > Ok; we have annou...@qt-project.org specifically for announcing releases, so > we'll send all future release announcements only to that list, without any > cross-posting to development@qt-project.org. > > All of them, or only the LTS ones? It seems most people didn't mind the open source announcements here. Best regards Allan ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
> On 27 Sep 2022, at 22:01, Elvis Stansvik wrote: > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:52 skrev Elvis Stansvik : >> >> Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira >> : >>> >>> On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. >>> >>> For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, because it >>> sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. >> >> True :) >> >> Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some >> value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those >> who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. > > I guess it's just that I can understand Konstantin's sentiment, since > it feels kind of unsolicited. When I signed up for this list, I > solicited Qt development conversations. There is a list for > announcements after all. It feels like I'm getting a newsletter I > didn't sign up for, without a way to unsubscribe without losing all > the Qt dev conversations that I do want to follow. > > But if most people are OK with it, no problem. It's not a big deal. > > Elvis Ok; we have annou...@qt-project.org specifically for announcing releases, so we'll send all future release announcements only to that list, without any cross-posting to development@qt-project.org. Volker ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Ignoring a large part of the community IS a problem. Most people won't say they aren't ok with something. Until it is too late to say anything at all. Regards, Konstantin вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 23:02, Elvis Stansvik : > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:52 skrev Elvis Stansvik : > > > > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira < > thiago.macie...@intel.com>: > > > > > > On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: > > > > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of > > > > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to > > > > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. > > > > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't > > > > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which > > > > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so > > > > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. > > > > > > For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, > because it > > > sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. > > > > True :) > > > > Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some > > value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those > > who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. > > I guess it's just that I can understand Konstantin's sentiment, since > it feels kind of unsolicited. When I signed up for this list, I > solicited Qt development conversations. There is a list for > announcements after all. It feels like I'm getting a newsletter I > didn't sign up for, without a way to unsubscribe without losing all > the Qt dev conversations that I do want to follow. > > But if most people are OK with it, no problem. It's not a big deal. > > Elvis > > > > > Elvis > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com > > > Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Development mailing list > > > Development@qt-project.org > > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
That's not about Qt development, that's about commercial Qt fork development. For commercial users, you have a dedicated commercial-only mailing list(s). I’m sure you can configure your email client to send all emails with sender “Konstantin Ritt” to the bin if these messages are irrelevant to you. Regards, Konstantin вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 18:18, Volker Hilsheimer : > Konstantin, > > We have users with commercial licenses and access to those releases on > this mailing list as well. And some of them contribute to Qt, and are > perhaps happy to find out that a patch they might have contributed is now > available to them through an official commercial package. > > I’m sure you can configure your email client to send all emails with > subject “.*LTS Commercial released” to the bin if these announcements are > irrelevant to you. > > Volker > > > > On 27 Sep 2022, at 13:28, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > > > Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development > mailing list! > > > > > > Konstantin > > > > > > вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 14:20, Tarja Sundqvist : > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: > > > > https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released > > > > > > > > Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Tarja Sundqvist > > > > Release Manager > > > > > > > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > > ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:52 skrev Elvis Stansvik : > > Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira > : > > > > On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: > > > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of > > > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to > > > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. > > > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't > > > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which > > > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so > > > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. > > > > For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, because it > > sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. > > True :) > > Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some > value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those > who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. I guess it's just that I can understand Konstantin's sentiment, since it feels kind of unsolicited. When I signed up for this list, I solicited Qt development conversations. There is a list for announcements after all. It feels like I'm getting a newsletter I didn't sign up for, without a way to unsubscribe without losing all the Qt dev conversations that I do want to follow. But if most people are OK with it, no problem. It's not a big deal. Elvis > > Elvis > > > > > -- > > Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com > > Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering > > > > > > > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 21:01 skrev Thiago Macieira : > > On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: > > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of > > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to > > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. > > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't > > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which > > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so > > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. > > For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, because it > sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. True :) Open source code drops can be announced here, but I guess there's some value in knowing about the first commercial-only releases, for those who want to pencil in the drop date in their calendars. Elvis > > -- > Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com > Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering > > > > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 09:48:01 PDT Elvis Stansvik wrote: > The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of > those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to > *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. > cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't > think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which > are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so > suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. For me, what's interesting is to know the *date* of the release, because it sets the 12-month timer for a new open source drop. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Cloud Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Den tis 27 sep. 2022 kl 17:19 skrev Volker Hilsheimer : > > Konstantin, > > We have users with commercial licenses and access to those releases on this > mailing list as well. And some of them contribute to Qt, and are perhaps > happy to find out that a patch they might have contributed is now available > to them through an official commercial package. > > I’m sure you can configure your email client to send all emails with subject > “.*LTS Commercial released” to the bin if these announcements are irrelevant > to you. While that is true, I think the criteria for sending something to a public mailing list should be that the mail could *potentially* be of interest to anyone on the list, otherwise you are just spamming a potentially large number of subscribers. It's basic netiquette. The typical mail here is about development of Qt, and while some of those mails may be specialized and only may not be interesting to *everyone*, they could potentially be interesting to *anyone* (e.g. cover some technical topic they want to learn about etc). I don't think that can be said of commercial-only release announcement, which are for sure only interesting to a certain subset of subscribers, so suggest keeping them on some commercial-only list. Elvis > > Volker > > > > On 27 Sep 2022, at 13:28, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > > > Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development mailing > > list! > > > > > > Konstantin > > > > > > вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 14:20, Tarja Sundqvist : > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: > > > > https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released > > > > > > > > Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Tarja Sundqvist > > > > Release Manager > > > > > > > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Konstantin, We have users with commercial licenses and access to those releases on this mailing list as well. And some of them contribute to Qt, and are perhaps happy to find out that a patch they might have contributed is now available to them through an official commercial package. I’m sure you can configure your email client to send all emails with subject “.*LTS Commercial released” to the bin if these announcements are irrelevant to you. Volker > On 27 Sep 2022, at 13:28, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development mailing > list! > > > Konstantin > > > вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 14:20, Tarja Sundqvist : > Hi all, > > > > we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: > > https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released > > > > Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! > > > > Best regards > > Tarja Sundqvist > > Release Manager > > > > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Hi, You are right that cross-posting release announcements to multiple lists might actually not be needed? These three lists (announce, release, development) are the ones often used for announcing a new release. It might be that announcing only via the announce list would be enough. For a new release there is also blog post written and of course many don’t follow any of these channels but just see a new item pop up in the online installer. Yours, Tuukka From: Development on behalf of Konstantin Ritt Date: Tuesday, 27. September 2022 at 14.31 To: Tarja Sundqvist Cc: development@qt-project.org , releas...@qt-project.org , annou...@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development mailing list! Konstantin вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 14:20, Tarja Sundqvist mailto:tarja.sundqv...@qt.io>>: Hi all, we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! Best regards Tarja Sundqvist Release Manager ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org<mailto:Development@qt-project.org> https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Please stop announcing this kind of updates through the development mailing list! Konstantin вт, 27 сент. 2022 г. в 14:20, Tarja Sundqvist : > Hi all, > > > > we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: > > https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released > > > > Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! > > > > Best regards > > Tarja Sundqvist > > Release Manager > > > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development > ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial released
Hi all, we have released Qt 6.2.6 LTS Commercial today. Please see the blog post: https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released Big thanks to everyone involved & have nice autumn! Best regards Tarja Sundqvist Release Manager ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development
