[Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system proxies until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been released. The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it is just an initial start up check in this case. That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. For reference the original thread about this can be found: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-October/007037.html Andy ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
On Wednesday 11 May 2016 13:50:50 Andy Shaw wrote: > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system > proxies until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been > released. > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and expected > in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it is just > an initial start up check in this case. > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can now > have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option > would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-October/007037.html Last time I tried that switch on Debian (last year?) the proxy was applied to all the protocols and not just http. I think Thiago or I submitted a patch to gerrit and I think it was merged. I'll try to get qtbase rebuilt with that option on and see what happens. -- Lo que me sorprende de las mujeres es que se arrancan los pelos desde la raíz con cera caliente y aún así le temen a las arañas. Jerry Seinfeld lis: comentario sobre tu frase yo soy mujer, yo me arranco los pelos y VOS le tenes miedo a las arañas María Luján Pérez Meyer (mi hermana) Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer http://perezmeyer.com.ar/ http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
+1 for switching to using the system proxy settings by default. I'm still a bit wary about the 'Windows issue' though. To cite our documentation [1]: "On Windows platforms, this function may take several seconds to execute depending on the configuration of the user's system." Was that the problem with Windows versions configured for automatically querying for PAC files, but never getting any response? Regards Kai [1]: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkproxyfactory.html#systemProxyForQuery > -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=qt.io@qt- > project.org] On Behalf Of Andy Shaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system proxies > until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been released. > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and > expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it > is > just an initial start up check in this case. > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can > now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option > would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012- > October/007037.html > > > Andy > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
There is an issue but this comes from the Windows side and is also documented by Microsoft as being a problem I believe on their side. But this should only be experienced the first time it needs to do this though, whereas before it would do this all the time. However, I would personally expect that if this is happening for a user, it will not be happening for just Qt either. Andy Fra: Kai Koehne Sendt: 12. mai 2016 08:41:21 Til: Andy Shaw; development@qt-project.org Emne: RE: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? +1 for switching to using the system proxy settings by default. I'm still a bit wary about the 'Windows issue' though. To cite our documentation [1]: "On Windows platforms, this function may take several seconds to execute depending on the configuration of the user's system." Was that the problem with Windows versions configured for automatically querying for PAC files, but never getting any response? Regards Kai [1]: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkproxyfactory.html#systemProxyForQuery > -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=qt.io@qt- > project.org] On Behalf Of Andy Shaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system proxies > until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been released. > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and > expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it > is > just an initial start up check in this case. > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can > now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option > would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012- > October/007037.html > > > Andy > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
Right, it begs the question: If a third-party application like Chrome can use system proxy settings by default, why can't or don't we? :) Simon From: Development on behalf of Andy Shaw Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:54:41 AM To: Kai Koehne; development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? There is an issue but this comes from the Windows side and is also documented by Microsoft as being a problem I believe on their side. But this should only be experienced the first time it needs to do this though, whereas before it would do this all the time. However, I would personally expect that if this is happening for a user, it will not be happening for just Qt either. Andy Fra: Kai Koehne Sendt: 12. mai 2016 08:41:21 Til: Andy Shaw; development@qt-project.org Emne: RE: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? +1 for switching to using the system proxy settings by default. I'm still a bit wary about the 'Windows issue' though. To cite our documentation [1]: "On Windows platforms, this function may take several seconds to execute depending on the configuration of the user's system." Was that the problem with Windows versions configured for automatically querying for PAC files, but never getting any response? Regards Kai [1]: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkproxyfactory.html#systemProxyForQuery > -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=qt.io@qt- > project.org] On Behalf Of Andy Shaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system proxies > until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been released. > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and > expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it > is > just an initial start up check in this case. > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can > now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option > would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012- > October/007037.html > > > Andy > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
Since there does not seem to be any general objections, I have submitted a patch for this - https://codereview.qt-project.org/159120 - this is for 5.8. If anyone does see an issue then please say so in the comments, I will give it a bit of time before merging once it gets its +2 in order to give it a chance to be tried out in case someone hits a problem. Andy Fra: Simon Hausmann Sendt: 12. mai 2016 10:01:35 Til: Andy Shaw; Kai Koehne; development@qt-project.org Emne: Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? Right, it begs the question: If a third-party application like Chrome can use system proxy settings by default, why can't or don't we? :) Simon From: Development on behalf of Andy Shaw Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:54:41 AM To: Kai Koehne; development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? There is an issue but this comes from the Windows side and is also documented by Microsoft as being a problem I believe on their side. But this should only be experienced the first time it needs to do this though, whereas before it would do this all the time. However, I would personally expect that if this is happening for a user, it will not be happening for just Qt either. Andy Fra: Kai Koehne Sendt: 12. mai 2016 08:41:21 Til: Andy Shaw; development@qt-project.org Emne: RE: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true? +1 for switching to using the system proxy settings by default. I'm still a bit wary about the 'Windows issue' though. To cite our documentation [1]: "On Windows platforms, this function may take several seconds to execute depending on the configuration of the user's system." Was that the problem with Windows versions configured for automatically querying for PAC files, but never getting any response? Regards Kai [1]: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkproxyfactory.html#systemProxyForQuery > -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=qt.io@qt- > project.org] On Behalf Of Andy Shaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM > To: development@qt-project.org > Subject: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system proxies > until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been released. > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and > expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but it > is > just an initial start up check in this case. > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can > now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure option > would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012- > October/007037.html > > > Andy > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be switched to true?
See https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53649 Em sexta-feira, 13 de maio de 2016, às 09:11:35 PDT, Andy Shaw escreveu: > Since there does not seem to be any general objections, I have submitted a > patch for this - https://codereview.qt-project.org/159120 - this is for > 5.8. If anyone does see an issue then please say so in the comments, I will > give it a bit of time before merging once it gets its +2 in order to give > it a chance to be tried out in case someone hits a problem. > > Andy > > Fra: Simon Hausmann > Sendt: 12. mai 2016 10:01:35 > Til: Andy Shaw; Kai Koehne; development@qt-project.org > Emne: Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > Right, it begs the question: If a third-party application like Chrome can > use system proxy settings by default, why can't or don't we? :) > > > Simon > > From: Development > on behalf of Andy Shaw Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 > 9:54:41 AM > To: Kai Koehne; development@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switchedto true? > > There is an issue but this comes from the Windows side and is also > documented by Microsoft as being a problem I believe on their side. But > this should only be experienced the first time it needs to do this though, > whereas before it would do this all the time. However, I would personally > expect that if this is happening for a user, it will not be happening for > just Qt either. > > Andy > ____ > Fra: Kai Koehne > Sendt: 12. mai 2016 08:41:21 > Til: Andy Shaw; development@qt-project.org > Emne: RE: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > switched to true? > > +1 for switching to using the system proxy settings by default. > > I'm still a bit wary about the 'Windows issue' though. To cite our > documentation [1]: > > "On Windows platforms, this function may take several seconds to execute > depending on the configuration of the user's system." > > Was that the problem with Windows versions configured for automatically > querying for PAC files, but never getting any response? > > Regards > > Kai > > [1]: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkproxyfactory.html#systemProxyForQuery > > > -Original Message- > > From: Development [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=qt.io@qt- > > project.org] On Behalf Of Andy Shaw > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM > > To: development@qt-project.org > > Subject: [Development] Should the system proxies default setting be > > switched to true? > > > > For some time now we have had the means to configure Qt to use system > > proxies so that they are on by default or to turn it on via > > QNetworkProxyFactory. However, this is off by default so it is becoming a > > reoccurrence that people don't realise that it is not using the system > > proxies until later on. Potentially not until after a product has been > > released. > > > > > > The reasoning that this was not done before was due to the fact that there > > was a problem on Windows with it taking too long in some cases to get the > > information. However this seems to be solved for the most part and > > expected in some cases due to the fact that it is down to the system, but > > it is just an initial start up check in this case. > > > > > > That said, does anyone see any problems with switching it so that we can > > now have it turned on by default from Qt 5.8? Naturally the configure > > option would stay so people can still turn it off if they wish. > > > > For reference the original thread about this can be found: > > http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-> > > > October/007037.html > > > > > > Andy > > ___ > > Development mailing list > > Development@qt-project.org > > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development > > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development > ___ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
