Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Sean Harmer]

On Wednesday 18 December 2013 15:57:55 Thiago Macieira wrote:
> On quarta-feira, 18 de dezembro de 2013 20:45:35, Lisandro Damián Nicanor
> 
> Pérez Meyer wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 December 2013 14:32:41 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 18 December 2013 16:56:23 Hausmann Simon wrote:
> > > > Note that this talks about the _use_ of the software,which is
> > > > something
> > > > that no user of Qt will ever do. (it's not part of any library and
> > > > iirc
> > > > not even the build process)
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm about to test if it's part of the build process or not. Will
> > > reply later.
> > 
> > Confirmed, not part of the build process. I'll just repacka the tarball
> > without it then.
> 
> We should remove from our sources.
> 
> qtwebkit/Source/WebInspectorUI/Scripts/jsmin.py

Maybe we can offer packages with it still in and ship

http://memegenerator.net/instance/44001584

;)

Sean
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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Thiago Macieira]

On quarta-feira, 18 de dezembro de 2013 20:45:35, Lisandro Damián Nicanor 
Pérez Meyer wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 December 2013 14:32:41 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> 
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 December 2013 16:56:23 Hausmann Simon wrote:
> > > Note that this talks about the _use_ of the software,which is something
> > > that no user of Qt will ever do. (it's not part of any library and iirc
> > > not even the build process)
> > 
> > Well, I'm about to test if it's part of the build process or not. Will
> > reply later.
> 
> Confirmed, not part of the build process. I'll just repacka the tarball
> without it then.

We should remove from our sources.

qtwebkit/Source/WebInspectorUI/Scripts/jsmin.py

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

On Wednesday 18 December 2013 14:32:41 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 December 2013 16:56:23 Hausmann Simon wrote:
> > Note that this talks about the _use_ of the software,which is something
> > that no user of Qt will ever do. (it's not part of any library and iirc
> > not even the build process)
> 
> Well, I'm about to test if it's part of the build process or not. Will reply
> later.

Confirmed, not part of the build process. I'll just repacka the tarball 
without it then.

Kinds regards, Lisandro.

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

On Wednesday 18 December 2013 09:04:20 Thiago Macieira wrote:
[snip] 
> If only we could get the opinion of a Linux distribution known for being a
> stickler to the free software definitions, to the point of even having their
> own free software guidelines... ;-)

;-)

 
> I guess that you brought this up because Debian would have a problem with
> it.

We do, and also Fedora[0] and Red Hat[1]

[0] 
[1] 

> I'm going to say that we have a problem with it too, both as open
> source and free software devs and from the commercial point of view. From
> FOSS point of view, we don't limit what you can do with the software; from
> the commercial point of view, some segments of the industry (like defence)
> might not like it.

Needless to say that I agree with this.

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

On Wednesday 18 December 2013 16:56:23 Hausmann Simon wrote:
> Note that this talks about the _use_ of the software,which is something that
> no user of Qt will ever do. (it's not part of any library and iirc not even
> the build process)

Well, I'm about to test if it's part of the build process or not. Will reply 
later.

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Thiago Macieira]

On quarta-feira, 18 de dezembro de 2013 16:46:12, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2013-12-18, Ziller Eike  wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
 wrote:
> >> Hi! I would like to now if it's acceptable for the project to have 3rd
> >> party code with the following statement in 3rd party sources:
> >> 
> >> "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil”
> > 
> > Does it come with definitions of “good” and “evil” ?
> 
> Of course not. See also: Douglas Crockford.
> 
> Most linux distributions, as well as google code hosting and others are
> treating it as a non-free license.

If only we could get the opinion of a Linux distribution known for being a 
stickler to the free software definitions, to the point of even having their 
own free software guidelines... ;-)

I guess that you brought this up because Debian would have a problem with it. 
I'm going to say that we have a problem with it too, both as open source and 
free software devs and from the commercial point of view. From FOSS point of 
view, we don't limit what you can do with the software; from the commercial 
point of view, some segments of the industry (like defence) might not like it.

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Hausmann Simon]

Note that this talks about the _use_ of the software,which is something that no 
user of Qt will ever do. (it's not part of any library and iirc not even the 
build process)


Simon

Fra: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Sendt: 08:36 onsdag 18. desember 2013
Til: development@qt-project.org
Emne: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement 
in Qt sources


Hi! I would like to now if it's acceptable for the project to have 3rd party
code with the following statement in 3rd party sources:

"The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil"

At first I thought it wouldn't, but Sune Vuorela pointed me out that it
*might* be a problem for Digia, so I'm asking here just in case.

The actual source is Source/WebInspectorUI/Scripts/jsmin.py in the qtwebkit's
submodule.

Kinds regards, Lisandro.

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ella sufrió un accidente que la puso al borde de la muerte. El médico le
dijo: -Tendrás que abortar. Y ella respondió: -¿Abortar yo? Jamás.
Es decir, defendió la vida, mi vida. Y gracias a ello estoy aquí."
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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Sune Vuorela]

On 2013-12-18, Ziller Eike  wrote:
>
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi! I would like to now if it's acceptable for the project to have 3rd party 
>> code with the following statement in 3rd party sources:
>> 
>> "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil”
>
> Does it come with definitions of “good” and “evil” ?

Of course not. See also: Douglas Crockford.

Most linux distributions, as well as google code hosting and others are
treating it as a non-free license.

Oh. and Crockford thinks that eval() in javascript code is evil.

/Sune

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Re: [Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Ziller Eike]

On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
 wrote:

> Hi! I would like to now if it's acceptable for the project to have 3rd party 
> code with the following statement in 3rd party sources:
> 
> "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil”

Does it come with definitions of “good” and “evil” ?

> 
> At first I thought it wouldn't, but Sune Vuorela pointed me out that it 
> *might* be a problem for Digia, so I'm asking here just in case.
> 
> The actual source is Source/WebInspectorUI/Scripts/jsmin.py in the qtwebkit's 
> submodule.
> 
> Kinds regards, Lisandro.
> 
> -- 
> "Hola, soy su amigo Chespirito. Cuando estaba yo en el vientre de mi madre,
> ella sufrió un accidente que la puso al borde de la muerte. El médico le
> dijo: -Tendrás que abortar. Y ella respondió: -¿Abortar yo? Jamás.
> Es decir, defendió la vida, mi vida. Y gracias a ello estoy aquí."
>  Roberto "Chespirito" Gómez Bolaños
>  http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chespirito
> 
> Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> http://perezmeyer.com.ar/
> http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/
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[Development] "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" statement in Qt sources

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

Hi! I would like to now if it's acceptable for the project to have 3rd party 
code with the following statement in 3rd party sources:

"The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil"

At first I thought it wouldn't, but Sune Vuorela pointed me out that it 
*might* be a problem for Digia, so I'm asking here just in case.

The actual source is Source/WebInspectorUI/Scripts/jsmin.py in the qtwebkit's 
submodule.

Kinds regards, Lisandro.

-- 
"Hola, soy su amigo Chespirito. Cuando estaba yo en el vientre de mi madre,
ella sufrió un accidente que la puso al borde de la muerte. El médico le
dijo: -Tendrás que abortar. Y ella respondió: -¿Abortar yo? Jamás.
Es decir, defendió la vida, mi vida. Y gracias a ello estoy aquí."
  Roberto "Chespirito" Gómez Bolaños
  http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chespirito

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