Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Tuesday June 09 2015 08:27:09 Sorvig Morten wrote: I’m aiming for supporting 10.7 as “deprecated” in the 5.5 release. It currently does not compile - the lack of CI testing is showing. It *may* be possible to get a community-supported CI set up for 10.7 (where community probably implies KDE/KF5). I think it’s OK if other modules, and especially new modules, have stricter requirements. Qt users can make a decision if the provided OS version support is acceptable before starting to use the module. That sounds reasonable, but I also think that there is little point in supporting QtBase on 10.7 if QtGui or QtWidgets don't work there ... In general my opinion is that Qt as middleware should try very hard to not get in the way when it comes to OS and compiler requirements. Heh, that can be interpreted both ways, no? From Apple's viewpoint this probably means Fine, just support the last version of the OS only and get out of our way already, no? ;) R. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Tuesday June 09 2015 10:28:49 Sorvig Morten wrote: A quick correction: QtBase (the module) includes QtGui and QtWidgets. You were thinking QtCore? Sorry, yes, I've lost track a bit of what the minimal collection of components is for applications that can serve an actual purpose :) René ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On 09 Jun 2015, at 11:18, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday June 09 2015 08:27:09 Sorvig Morten wrote: I think it’s OK if other modules, and especially new modules, have stricter requirements. Qt users can make a decision if the provided OS version support is acceptable before starting to use the module. That sounds reasonable, but I also think that there is little point in supporting QtBase on 10.7 if QtGui or QtWidgets don't work there … A quick correction: QtBase (the module) includes QtGui and QtWidgets. You were thinking QtCore? Morten ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Friday June 05 2015 13:30:58 Sean Harmer wrote: could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. A day later than promised... https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/113797/2 I presume that the patch also takes care of building against earlier SDKs, at least as far as this particular issue goes? What is the earliest OS X version on which 5.5 is supposed to work, officially? R. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Wednesday 03 Jun 2015 11:05:35 Tim Blechmann wrote: We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. A day later than promised... https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/113797/2 Cheers, Sean -- Dr Sean Harmer | sean.har...@kdab.com | Managing Director UK KDAB (UK) Ltd, a KDAB Group company Tel. +44 (0)1625 809908; Sweden (HQ) +46-563-540090 Mobile: +44 (0)7545 140604 KDAB - Qt Experts ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Friday June 05 2015 18:18:28 Sean Harmer wrote: But you did ask in a branch of a thread about a Qt3D change, so I answered with respect to the part that I have knowledge about. That wasn't evident to me from the thread's subject :) I was asking because I'm genuinely curious about the answer. I myself am I don't really have an answer and I'm also not trying to make a point to support back to 10.7 . MacPorts does have a more or less official policy how far back they support, but many individual ports go well beyond that, supporting even PPC Macs and thus 10.5 . 10.7 is rather common though, and I know many still use it. My Mac from 2011 runs 10.9, I haven't yet decided if I'll go beyond that (not for another point release or 2 I think and then we'll see if it's still alive and kickin'). That said, I'd have never upgraded it from 10.6 if I'd had a chance (so I completely skipped 10.7 and 10.8), and I still miss that version for a bunch of reasons. using a Mac from 2011 that happily runs 10.10. I was not inferring that everybody should upgrade, but wondering how much of a need still remains to drive support for older flavours. I simply don't know how well-used Qt is in say scientific research circles, where people 1) rarely have money for the latest greatest and 2) have very good reasons to update as little as possible if they're not 3) locked-in to using old software that requires ditto OS and hardware. say 10.7 can only be on a best efforts basis. Of course if somebody wants to pay for such support, then we would be happy to investigate this. Wouldn't that be your accountants' needs rather than yours? ;) R. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On 05/06/2015 14:52, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Friday June 05 2015 13:30:58 Sean Harmer wrote: could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. A day later than promised... https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/113797/2 I presume that the patch also takes care of building against earlier SDKs, at least as far as this particular issue goes? What is the earliest OS X version on which 5.5 is supposed to work, officially? For Qt3D, 10.8 is the oldest version handled by the CI. Given recent OS X updates are free do you really need support for anything older? Cheers, Sean -- Dr Sean Harmer | sean.har...@kdab.com | Managing Director UK Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company Tel. Sweden (HQ) +46-563-540090, USA +1-866-777-KDAB(5322) KDAB - Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Friday June 05 2015 18:00:42 Sean Harmer wrote: What is the earliest OS X version on which 5.5 is supposed to work, officially? For Qt3D, 10.8 is the oldest version handled by the CI. Given recent OS I didn't ask about Qt3D?? X updates are free do you really need support for anything older? That's the perverse other side of the medal of free OS updates, and the remark surprises me coming from the managing director of a company that sells support... Linux has always been free, yet do people feel the need not to run anything but the latest version? The hardware to run the OS on is *not* free, and not all still perfectly functional computers will run the latest software, esp. not if it's a recent OS out of Cupertino. Anyway, the question was not about needs I feel, but about the official stance, so that I know what to expect (and not to attempt) when I get to updating the MacPorts Qt5 port. R. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
Given recent OS X updates are free do you really need support for anything older? Supporting only OS X 10.8 and newer is reasonable IMO. There are many good and usable Apple computers that will unfortunately live on OS X 10.8 until they die. Anything older than this can never be updated to OS X Mavericks 10.9 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201364 OS X Mavericks system requirements Learn about the system requirements for OS X Mavericks v10.9. To install Mavericks, you need one of these Macs: * iMac (Mid-2007 or later) * MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later) * MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later) * MacBook Pro (15-inch or 17-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or later) * MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later) * Mac mini (Early 2009 or later) * Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later) * Xserve (Early 2009) -Ed On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Sean Harmer sean.har...@kdab.commailto:sean.har...@kdab.com wrote: On 05/06/2015 14:52, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Friday June 05 2015 13:30:58 Sean Harmer wrote: could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. A day later than promised... https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/113797/2 I presume that the patch also takes care of building against earlier SDKs, at least as far as this particular issue goes? What is the earliest OS X version on which 5.5 is supposed to work, officially? For Qt3D, 10.8 is the oldest version handled by the CI. Given recent OS X updates are free do you really need support for anything older? Cheers, Sean -- Dr Sean Harmer | sean.har...@kdab.commailto:sean.har...@kdab.com | Managing Director UK Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company Tel. Sweden (HQ) +46-563-540090, USA +1-866-777-KDAB(5322) KDAB - Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.orgmailto:Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development This email and any files transmitted with it from The Charles Machine Works, Inc. are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Our company accepts no liability for the contents of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On 05/06/2015 19:07, René J.V. Bertin wrote: On Friday June 05 2015 18:00:42 Sean Harmer wrote: What is the earliest OS X version on which 5.5 is supposed to work, officially? For Qt3D, 10.8 is the oldest version handled by the CI. Given recent OS I didn't ask about Qt3D?? But you did ask in a branch of a thread about a Qt3D change, so I answered with respect to the part that I have knowledge about. X updates are free do you really need support for anything older? That's the perverse other side of the medal of free OS updates, and the remark surprises me coming from the managing director of a company that sells support... Linux has always been free, yet do people feel the need not to run anything but the latest version? The hardware to run the OS on is *not* free, and not all still perfectly functional computers will run the latest software, esp. not if it's a recent OS out of Cupertino. Anyway, the question was not about needs I feel, but about the official stance, so that I know what to expect (and not to attempt) when I get to updating the MacPorts Qt5 port. I was asking because I'm genuinely curious about the answer. I myself am using a Mac from 2011 that happily runs 10.10. I was not inferring that everybody should upgrade, but wondering how much of a need still remains to drive support for older flavours. As a director of a company that sells support I have to justify investments into supporting said older releases, so if there is no requirement or demand for it then we won't consider it. As it stands Qt3D has a minimum requirement of OpenGL 2 or OpenGL ES 2 but we don't have support for anything older than OS X 10.8 in the CI so support for say 10.7 can only be on a best efforts basis. Of course if somebody wants to pay for such support, then we would be happy to investigate this. Looking at the CI for qtbase for e.g. shows a similar story for OS X versions but I can't say what the official support is there. Kind regards, Sean -- Dr Sean Harmer | sean.har...@kdab.com | Managing Director UK Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company Tel. Sweden (HQ) +46-563-540090, USA +1-866-777-KDAB(5322) KDAB - Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
Hi! I cannot see QTBUG-44645 blocking the release, sorry Br, Jani From: Ben Lau [mailto:xben...@gmail.com] Sent: 3. kesäkuuta 2015 13:01 To: Heikkinen Jani Cc: development@qt-project.org; releas...@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing! On 3 June 2015 at 14:45, Heikkinen Jani jani.heikki...@theqtcompany.commailto:jani.heikki...@theqtcompany.com wrote: Hi all, We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 - Please create all changes files for Qt 5.5.0 now, these should be in RC - Someone, please run those header diffs binary compatibility checks as soon as possible to be able to be sure there isn't problems there. This needs to be done now because possible fixes should be in RC already - Start updating Known issues page (https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_5.5.0_Known_Issues) - Something else? br, Jani Any chance to add QTBUG-44645 to the blocker list? Flickable + PinchArea is working well in Qt 5.3 but it was broken since Qt 5.4. [QTBUG-44645] Flickable and PinchArea are not working well together - Qt Bug Tracker https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44645 ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On 3 June 2015 at 14:45, Heikkinen Jani jani.heikki...@theqtcompany.com wrote: Hi all, We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 - Please create all changes files for Qt 5.5.0 now, these should be in RC - Someone, please run those header diffs binary compatibility checks as soon as possible to be able to be sure there isn't problems there. This needs to be done now because possible fixes should be in RC already - Start updating Known issues page ( https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_5.5.0_Known_Issues) - Something else? br, Jani Any chance to add QTBUG-44645 to the blocker list? Flickable + PinchArea is working well in Qt 5.3 but it was broken since Qt 5.4. [QTBUG-44645] Flickable and PinchArea are not working well together - Qt Bug Tracker https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44645 ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
Hi! I would really love to see https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-46080 fixed for a final release... that one drives me crazy! Best Regards, Tobias ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
On Wednesday 03 Jun 2015 11:05:35 Tim Blechmann wrote: We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. I'm going to look into that tomorrow (I'm out of the office today). Cheers, Sean -- Dr Sean Harmer | sean.har...@kdab.com | Managing Director UK KDAB (UK) Ltd, a KDAB Group company Tel. +44 (0)1625 809908; Sweden (HQ) +46-563-540090 Mobile: +44 (0)7545 140604 KDAB - Qt Experts ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
Hi all, We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 - Please create all changes files for Qt 5.5.0 now, these should be in RC - Someone, please run those header diffs binary compatibility checks as soon as possible to be able to be sure there isn't problems there. This needs to be done now because possible fixes should be in RC already - Start updating Known issues page (https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_5.5.0_Known_Issues) - Something else? br, Jani ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Your actions needed, Qt5.5.0 RC Final is nearing!
We are quite close to Qt 5.5.0 RC final releases. Plan is to put RC out Thu 11.6.2015 Final Tue 23.6.2015. To be able to keep the schedule we need to make sure all real blockers are fixed in RC so that it will be really RC there won't be so much changes between RC Final. So following tasks needs to be done immediately: - Please try to fix all blockers during this week so that we can create RC packages at the beginning of next one. Blocker list here: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44654 could QTBUG-46143 possibly be added to the list of blockers? it is a P1 bug in qt3d/qt5.5, as it does not build against the macos10.8 sdk. thanks a lot, tim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
