Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet and Tor

2014-01-08 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.orgwrote:

   Are users asking for this?
 Yes, people are asking for it. And I said it would be an optional feature.

 And Freenet does not compete with Tor.


I never said it did, nor do I believe that it does.

But Freenet is a distributed datastore. It *stores data*, in a
 decentralised, censorship proof way. Which Tor does not do. Also IMHO in
 the long run it could have greater anonymity. We are not competing with
 Tor. We cannot possibly compete with Tor, because we do things
 differently, we provide a different product, and if all the user cares
 about is anonymity then they are going to use Tor, period.


Not if they are in China, where I believe Tor is quite effectively blocked
:-/

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet and Tor

2014-01-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On 08/01/14 19:09, Ian Clarke wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Matthew Toseland
 t...@amphibian.dyndns.orgwrote:
   Are users asking for this?
 Yes, people are asking for it. And I said it would be an optional feature.

 And Freenet does not compete with Tor.

 I never said it did, nor do I believe that it does.

 But Freenet is a distributed datastore. It *stores data*, in a
 decentralised, censorship proof way. Which Tor does not do. Also IMHO in
 the long run it could have greater anonymity. We are not competing with
 Tor. We cannot possibly compete with Tor, because we do things
 differently, we provide a different product, and if all the user cares
 about is anonymity then they are going to use Tor, period.

 Not if they are in China, where I believe Tor is quite effectively blocked
 :-/
Freenet 0.7* is easy enough to block in opennet mode. I don't think the
Chinese bother right now though: we're small fry.

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