Re: [freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
I agree with Arne and disagree with Markus. The worst possible way to deal with politicians is to not talk to them. It might be unpopular to say, but in my experience most politicians are smart, and genuinely want to do the right thing, but they're frequently misinformed because they're only exposed to lobbyists who know exactly how to work the system, and the lobbyists win if there is no voice to oppose them. People don't enter politics to get rich, not in the EU anyway. Arne, it would be really great if you could go, please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 6:15 PM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Dienstag, 8. September 2015, 19:50:22 schrieb Markus: > > I would like to suggest to never ever visit politicians. > > I disagree with that. We cannot win on purely technical grounds — > states (or big companies) could just ban all encryption. But technical > means can create a situation in which those politicians who are on the > side of free communication can win the political battle against > surveillance. > > Best wishes, > Arne > -- > A man in the streets faces a knife. > Two policemen are there it once. They raise a sign: > > “Illegal Scene! Noone may watch this!” > > The man gets robbed and stabbed and bleeds to death. > The police had to hold the sign. > > …Welcome to Europe, citizen. Censorship is beautiful. > >( http://draketo.de/stichwort/censorship ) > > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
Am Dienstag, 8. September 2015, 19:50:22 schrieb Markus: > I would like to suggest to never ever visit politicians. I disagree with that. We cannot win on purely technical grounds — states (or big companies) could just ban all encryption. But technical means can create a situation in which those politicians who are on the side of free communication can win the political battle against surveillance. Best wishes, Arne -- A man in the streets faces a knife. Two policemen are there it once. They raise a sign: “Illegal Scene! Noone may watch this!” The man gets robbed and stabbed and bleeds to death. The police had to hold the sign. …Welcome to Europe, citizen. Censorship is beautiful. ( http://draketo.de/stichwort/censorship ) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
Florent said that we received this message via press@…, so keeping in contact should not be too hard. If it does not clash with my PhD defense, I should be able to go. It would be good to know additional details, though. Best wishes, Arne Am Dienstag, 8. September 2015, 15:11:42 schrieb Ian: > That sounds interesting, unfortunately I won't be able to do it (it would > be a transatlantic trip), but hopefully someone can and we can track down > whoever sent that message. > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:27 AM xor wrote: > > > [15:18] Dear Ian Clarke, The Civil Liberties Justice and > > Home > > Affairs Committee (LIBE) and the Science and Technology Options Assessment > > Panel (STOA) of the European Parliament are organising, in association with > > the Luxemburg Presidency of the European Council, on 8 -9 December 2015 at > > the > > European Parliament, a high-level conference on ‘Protecting on-line > > privacy by > > enhancing IT security and EU IT autonomy’. > > [15:19] This high-level conference will gather about 100 > > academics and policy-makers to discuss possible European policies for > > enhancing privacy protection on the Internet in a post-Snowden world. This > > event is organised as a follow-up to the report adopted by the EP on 12 > > March > > 2015 "on the US NSA surveillance programme, surveillance bodies in various > > Member States and their impact on EU citizens’ fundamental rights and on > > transat > > > > > > The guy unfortunately left before mentioning more details, and the message > > seems cropped. > > Anyone willing to try to contact those folks? > > Anyone willing to attend?___ > > Devl mailing list > > Devl@freenetproject.org > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- 1w6 sie zu achten, sie alle zu finden, in Spiele zu leiten und sacht zu verbinden. → http://1w6.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
I would like to suggest to never ever visit politicians. Am 08.09.2015 um 15:27 schrieb xor: > [15:18] Dear Ian Clarke, The Civil Liberties Justice and Home > Affairs Committee (LIBE) and the Science and Technology Options Assessment > Panel (STOA) of the European Parliament are organising, in association with > the Luxemburg Presidency of the European Council, on 8 -9 December 2015 at > the > European Parliament, a high-level conference on ‘Protecting on-line privacy > by > enhancing IT security and EU IT autonomy’. > [15:19] This high-level conference will gather about 100 > academics and policy-makers to discuss possible European policies for > enhancing privacy protection on the Internet in a post-Snowden world. This > event is organised as a follow-up to the report adopted by the EP on 12 March > 2015 "on the US NSA surveillance programme, surveillance bodies in various > Member States and their impact on EU citizens’ fundamental rights and on > transat > > > The guy unfortunately left before mentioning more details, and the message > seems cropped. > Anyone willing to try to contact those folks? > Anyone willing to attend? > > > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
That sounds interesting, unfortunately I won't be able to do it (it would be a transatlantic trip), but hopefully someone can and we can track down whoever sent that message. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:27 AM xor wrote: > [15:18] Dear Ian Clarke, The Civil Liberties Justice and > Home > Affairs Committee (LIBE) and the Science and Technology Options Assessment > Panel (STOA) of the European Parliament are organising, in association with > the Luxemburg Presidency of the European Council, on 8 -9 December 2015 at > the > European Parliament, a high-level conference on ‘Protecting on-line > privacy by > enhancing IT security and EU IT autonomy’. > [15:19] This high-level conference will gather about 100 > academics and policy-makers to discuss possible European policies for > enhancing privacy protection on the Internet in a post-Snowden world. This > event is organised as a follow-up to the report adopted by the EP on 12 > March > 2015 "on the US NSA surveillance programme, surveillance bodies in various > Member States and their impact on EU citizens’ fundamental rights and on > transat > > > The guy unfortunately left before mentioning more details, and the message > seems cropped. > Anyone willing to try to contact those folks? > Anyone willing to attend?___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] We've been invited to an European Parliament conference
[15:18] Dear Ian Clarke, The Civil Liberties Justice and Home Affairs Committee (LIBE) and the Science and Technology Options Assessment Panel (STOA) of the European Parliament are organising, in association with the Luxemburg Presidency of the European Council, on 8 -9 December 2015 at the European Parliament, a high-level conference on ‘Protecting on-line privacy by enhancing IT security and EU IT autonomy’. [15:19] This high-level conference will gather about 100 academics and policy-makers to discuss possible European policies for enhancing privacy protection on the Internet in a post-Snowden world. This event is organised as a follow-up to the report adopted by the EP on 12 March 2015 "on the US NSA surveillance programme, surveillance bodies in various Member States and their impact on EU citizens’ fundamental rights and on transat The guy unfortunately left before mentioning more details, and the message seems cropped. Anyone willing to try to contact those folks? Anyone willing to attend? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
