Re: [freenet-dev] Financial allocation poll stage 3

2016-08-05 Thread xor
On Thursday, August 04, 2016 11:12:45 PM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> x...@freenetproject.org writes:
> > So how about we just try the procedure as is, and postpone requests for a
> > different one until it is finished and has actually failed obviously?
> 
> As you saw, I did answer to the poll. And I provided concrete
> suggestions how we can try to get the most value from the poll.
> 
> That should already give enough of a hint how I’m taking it. Even where
> I don’t agree with how specifics are planned.

I did not intend to doubt your willingness to contribute to it :)

I merely wanted to help the two of you to make your discussion easier to 
resolve.

> I think that asking the community is a good thing, even though I don’t
> think we’re doing it as well as possible, and even though I don’t think
> that trying to use that as direct input for a decision algorithm is a
> good idea.

Well, it has already been mentioned by some of our core contributors that they 
don't want to consider the poll results as set in stone.
So I hope there is no need to worry about wrong decisions yet :)

I'm also willing to produce multiple different spreadsheets as output of the 
poll, using different subsets of the input or maybe even a different 
algorithm.
So we can still try different approaches afterwards with the same data.

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Re: [freenet-dev] Financial allocation poll stage 3

2016-08-05 Thread Flavio Heredia
excuse me all, i'm a little confused.

this is the developers discussion list, wich i've suscribed
or a more like marriage counseling list...?

sorry my poor english and kind regards.
flavio (just no one)

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide 
wrote:

>
> Ian Clarke writes:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Ian writes:
> >> > Please be more specific.  You've said a lot of things, most of which I
> >> > found unpersuasive or just plain obstructionist.
> >>
> >> This is roughly how you reacted to what I said. Did you assume good
> faith?
> >>
> >
> > You ignored my request to explain which criticisms of the process you're
> > referring to and instead are attempting to deflect it into some kind of
> > meta-discussion, in which I have little interest.
>
> Do you mean now or when I gave feedback on the process back when you
> proposed it?
>
> When I gave constructive feedback (in the style of "this is likely to
> cause problems, it could be amended by that"), you accused me of being
> obstructionist — back then and now again. That’s not a climate in which
> I want to explain more.
>
> You complained that I did not write my comments again when you asked
> whether we can proceed. Why should I have? You brushed them off once, so
> I expected that you’d ignore them again, but restarting the discussion
> would still have dragged out the process.
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Financial allocation poll stage 3

2016-08-05 Thread Ian Clarke
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide 
wrote:
>
> Do you mean now or when I gave feedback on the process back when you
> proposed it?
>
> When I gave constructive feedback (in the style of "this is likely to
> cause problems, it could be amended by that"), you accused me of being
> obstructionist — back then and now again. That’s not a climate in which
> I want to explain more.
>
> You complained that I did not write my comments again when you asked
> whether we can proceed. Why should I have? You brushed them off once, so
> I expected that you’d ignore them again, but restarting the discussion
> would still have dragged out the process.


Once again you refuse to clarify what specific constructive feedback you're
referring to, most likely because no such constructive feedback exists, so
I'm done with this conversation.

Ian.
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