[freenet-dev] Download button for new site

[Luke R.]

It was per the following conversation:
---
2012-08-03 #freenet irc.freenode.net
[21:47:24]  I can still make graphics \o
...
[21:48:38] <@operhiem1> Gaming4JC: Do you think you could make a download 
button that doesn't look sickly? I don't like the "Download" button on the 
front page. The gradient seems off.
...
[21:49:12] <@operhiem1> I do like http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ 's download 
button, though it might be a bit too dim.
[21:49:20] <@operhiem1> There's a UI to help with translations.
[21:49:32] <@operhiem1> Though IIRC I thought it required more clicking than 
I'd like.
[21:49:42] <@operhiem1> Let me know and I can patch it.
...
[21:50:03]  sure let me check :)
...
[21:52:26]  hmm... The download box on VLCs button is kinda nice.
[21:52:55]  looks a little cutty pastie on the bottom though
...
[22:01:39]  operhiem1: You want it in SVG for scalabilty?
[22:01:50]  the download button that is.
...
[22:06:18] <@operhiem1> Gaming4JC: Sure!
[22:06:18] <@operhiem1> I think PNGs might render faster though.
[22:06:18] <@operhiem1> It'd good to have lossless source material.
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I think it adds more brand to the page, you can see the two attached photos. 
One of the propsed button and one of VLC website. However, I do like the height 
of the old button and the fact that it changes color on mouseover. This is of 
course reproducible with the new button as well. 

I've also the SVG file if anyone would like to use it. I chose GNU Free 
Documentation License for it since the main website also uses this license. :)

--- On Sun, 8/5/12, Ian Clarke  wrote:

From: Ian Clarke 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Download button for new site
To: "Discussion of development issues" 
Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 12:23 PM

I appreciate the effort, however I don't think these are an improvement over 
the current download buttons on the current site.
Was there something wrong with the current buttons that prompted you to try to 
replace them?



Ian.

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Luke R.  wrote:


So we were discussing in IRC a few days ago that a new button is needed for the 
new Freenet site. I had originally thought of a rabbit hole with an arrow 
pointing down it, but opted for the traditional box for the sake of 
international awareness that a box with an arrow usually means download. 
Although if you think I should do that or modify these images in some way just 
let me know. 



Here's two test images I am proposing -
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7980/path4551.png <-- Colorful Box (used for 
NewYears?)


http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6945/path4552.png <-- Regular Box

As all files are in SVG they are nice and scalable and with multiple layers. 
Courtesy of InkScape! :D


Thoughts?

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[freenet-dev] Download button for new site

[Luke R.]

So we were discussing in IRC a few days ago that a new button is needed for the 
new Freenet site. I had originally thought of a rabbit hole with an arrow 
pointing down it, but opted for the traditional box for the sake of 
international awareness that a box with an arrow usually means download. 
Although if you think I should do that or modify these images in some way just 
let me know. 

Here's two test images I am proposing -
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7980/path4551.png <-- Colorful Box (used for 
NewYears?)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6945/path4552.png <-- Regular Box

As all files are in SVG they are nice and scalable and with multiple layers. 
Courtesy of InkScape! :D
Thoughts?
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[freenet-dev] Download button for new site

[Luke R.]

So we were discussing in IRC a few days ago that a new button is needed for the 
new Freenet site. I had originally thought of a rabbit hole with an arrow 
pointing down it, but opted for the traditional box for the sake of 
international awareness that a box with an arrow usually means download. 
Although if you think I should do that or modify these images in some way just 
let me know. 

Here's two test images I am proposing -
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7980/path4551.png <-- Colorful Box (used for 
NewYears?)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6945/path4552.png <-- Regular Box

As all files are in SVG they are nice and scalable and with multiple layers. 
Courtesy of InkScape! :D
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Re: [freenet-dev] A better FAQ

[Luke R.]

It does look like a reaonably nice FAQ system, but it's ashame it's not 
open-source/GPL.


--- On Fri, 5/18/12, Ian Clarke  wrote:

From: Ian Clarke 
Subject: [freenet-dev] A better FAQ
To: "Discussion of development of development issues" 
Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 12:31 PM

A friend of mine has created this service: http://helpjuice.com/
It's basically a very smart FAQ that is capable of learning.  Our current FAQ, 
I think, is somewhat lackluster and intimidating.  My friend has offered to let 
us use HelpJuice for free - thoughts?  We should be able to integrate it into 
our site reasonably seamlessly.


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[freenet-dev] A better FAQ

[Luke R.]

It does look like a reaonably nice FAQ system, but it's ashame it's not 
open-source/GPL.


--- On Fri, 5/18/12, Ian Clarke  wrote:

From: Ian Clarke 
Subject: [freenet-dev] A better FAQ
To: "Discussion of development of development issues" 
Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 12:31 PM

A friend of mine has created this service:?http://helpjuice.com/
It's basically a very smart FAQ that is capable of learning. ?Our current FAQ, 
I think, is somewhat lackluster and intimidating. ?My friend has offered to let 
us use HelpJuice for free - thoughts? ?We should be able to integrate it into 
our site reasonably seamlessly.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-dev] Should we switch the websites to httpS only?

[Luke R.]

I would tend to side with the ones who said we need both. HTTPS default, HTTP 
still available for those in need of it. The reason is because countries and 
most definitely some wifi hotspots in my experience block HTTPS entirely. Also 
some mobile browsers do not allow HTTPS (sadly!). 

A user may be able to use an HTTP proxy in his/her country to get access to the 
blocked domain via HTTP (unless the http proxy also supports HTTPS? then this 
may not be needed). In such cases MD5 hash checks would be very important, as 
well as the non-anonymity in downloading the binary in the first place could 
place a person at risk... but at least they would be able to download it.

Regarding the HTTPS certificate errors, continued development of this FF 
extension may prove helpful: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~perspectives/

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Ximin Luo  wrote:

From: Ximin Luo 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Should we switch the websites to httpS only?
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 1:00 PM

Someone mentioned that Syria blocks HTTPS. and there are reports of Iran
blocking HTTPS as well. I don't know if these reports are true however; it
seems a little suicidal since it also means various services such as online
banking aren't secure.

I'm of the mind that if HTTPS doesn't work then we shouldn't serve anything.
Certain services do force HTTPS, and online stores / banks would be laughed at
if they started offering "non-secure" transactions.

"Certificate error" is the same as not working, yes. People who say "just click
through the warning" deserve to get their bank details stolen. Do it in private
if you want to take a risk, but don't advise others to do the same thing!

X

On 10/03/12 17:47, Florent Daigniere wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:44:55AM -0600, Daxter wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Florent Daigniere wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 07:11:19PM -0600, Daxter wrote:

 I'm all for HTTPS, but do we really want to outright *remove* 
 functionality from the site? Sure, HTTP isn't secure and all "modern" web 
 browsers support it. However, we would be making it harder for people to 
 learn about Freenet and potentially try it out. 

>>>
>>> Why? You could still access it over HTTP... and be presented with 
>>> (transparent) redirect to the secure version.
>>
>> I just scratched an itch and discovered that even Lynx supports HTTPS… If it 
>> really is the case that HTTPS has become so ubiquitous that users wouldn't 
>> be affected, then sure, go ahead with it.
>>
>> HOWEVER: the question really needs to be restated. Are there any countries 
>> or ISPs that are known to disallow secure communications?
>>
> 
> I can name plenty of countries filtering HTTP (starting by the UK, where I 
> live); I'm not sure I can name a single one filtering HTTPS.
> Fundamentally, we can't prevent filtering... but we can prevent tampering of 
> what we publish using cryptography.
> 
> 
 In the end I think we should do what every major website does today: 
 encrypt the important data and let the entire site be accessible securely, 
 but don't force it onto people.

 -Daxter
>>>
>>> It's very difficult to do and most websites do it wrong. You have to think 
>>> about mixed-content errors, cookie flags, ...
>>>
>>> Sending credentials in cleartext like we do on the wikis, with no secure 
>>> alternative, is a disgrace.
>>>
>>> Florent
>>
>>
>> Can you give me an example of a website that in your mind does either the 
>> mixed model or the secure-only model properly? It would be nice to compare 
>> with them.
>>
> 
> https://www.torproject.org/ does it properly (HTTPS everywhere)
> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ does it properly
> https://www.trustmatta.com/ does it properly
> 
> 
> https://umbraco.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets doesn't do it 
> properly (mixed content on the https version)
> http://www.laposte.net/ (major webmail provider in France) doesn't do it 
> properly (form hosted over http)
> My bank's website doesn't do it properly (they don't set the 'secure' flag on 
> their session cookie)
> ...
> 
> I'm not short of examples; these are the open tabs in my browser right now.
> 
>> Actually, the wiki supports HTTPS right now. You'll get a certificate error, 
>> but it works.
>>
> 
> Hmmff? If you get a certificate error it doesn't work.
> 
>> While we're on the subject (as I've never bothered with HTTPS on the site 
>> until now), turns out it's rather misconfigured. Both the wiki and the main 
>> site return a certificate for emu.freenetproject.org… That address isn't 
>> accessible--what was it, and shouldn't we get this fixed?
>>
> 
> This certificat has X509v3 Subject Alternative Names. It should is valid for 
> the following fqdns:
> emu.freenetproject.org, freenetproject.org, osprey.freenetproject.org, 
> bugs.freenetproject.org, downloads.freenetproject.org
> 
> Florent
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[freenet-dev] Should we switch the websites to httpS only?

[Luke R.]

I would tend to side with the ones who said we need both. HTTPS default, HTTP 
still available for those in need of it. The reason is because countries and 
most definitely some wifi hotspots in my experience block HTTPS entirely. Also 
some mobile browsers do not allow HTTPS (sadly!). 

A user may be able to use an HTTP proxy in his/her country to get access to the 
blocked domain via HTTP (unless the http proxy also supports HTTPS? then this 
may not be needed). In such cases MD5 hash checks would be very important, as 
well as the non-anonymity in downloading the binary in the first place could 
place a person at risk... but at least they would be able to download it.

Regarding the HTTPS certificate errors, continued development of this FF 
extension may prove helpful: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~perspectives/

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Ximin Luo  wrote:

From: Ximin Luo 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Should we switch the websites to httpS only?
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 1:00 PM

Someone mentioned that Syria blocks HTTPS. and there are reports of Iran
blocking HTTPS as well. I don't know if these reports are true however; it
seems a little suicidal since it also means various services such as online
banking aren't secure.

I'm of the mind that if HTTPS doesn't work then we shouldn't serve anything.
Certain services do force HTTPS, and online stores / banks would be laughed at
if they started offering "non-secure" transactions.

"Certificate error" is the same as not working, yes. People who say "just click
through the warning" deserve to get their bank details stolen. Do it in private
if you want to take a risk, but don't advise others to do the same thing!

X

On 10/03/12 17:47, Florent Daigniere wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:44:55AM -0600, Daxter wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Florent Daigniere wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 07:11:19PM -0600, Daxter wrote:

 I'm all for HTTPS, but do we really want to outright *remove* 
 functionality from the site? Sure, HTTP isn't secure and all "modern" web 
 browsers support it. However, we would be making it harder for people to 
 learn about Freenet and potentially try it out. 

>>>
>>> Why? You could still access it over HTTP... and be presented with 
>>> (transparent) redirect to the secure version.
>>
>> I just scratched an itch and discovered that even Lynx supports HTTPS? If it 
>> really is the case that HTTPS has become so ubiquitous that users wouldn't 
>> be affected, then sure, go ahead with it.
>>
>> HOWEVER: the question really needs to be restated. Are there any countries 
>> or ISPs that are known to disallow secure communications?
>>
> 
> I can name plenty of countries filtering HTTP (starting by the UK, where I 
> live); I'm not sure I can name a single one filtering HTTPS.
> Fundamentally, we can't prevent filtering... but we can prevent tampering of 
> what we publish using cryptography.
> 
> 
 In the end I think we should do what every major website does today: 
 encrypt the important data and let the entire site be accessible securely, 
 but don't force it onto people.

 -Daxter
>>>
>>> It's very difficult to do and most websites do it wrong. You have to think 
>>> about mixed-content errors, cookie flags, ...
>>>
>>> Sending credentials in cleartext like we do on the wikis, with no secure 
>>> alternative, is a disgrace.
>>>
>>> Florent
>>
>>
>> Can you give me an example of a website that in your mind does either the 
>> mixed model or the secure-only model properly? It would be nice to compare 
>> with them.
>>
> 
> https://www.torproject.org/ does it properly (HTTPS everywhere)
> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ does it properly
> https://www.trustmatta.com/ does it properly
> 
> 
> https://umbraco.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets doesn't do it 
> properly (mixed content on the https version)
> http://www.laposte.net/ (major webmail provider in France) doesn't do it 
> properly (form hosted over http)
> My bank's website doesn't do it properly (they don't set the 'secure' flag on 
> their session cookie)
> ...
> 
> I'm not short of examples; these are the open tabs in my browser right now.
> 
>> Actually, the wiki supports HTTPS right now. You'll get a certificate error, 
>> but it works.
>>
> 
> Hmmff? If you get a certificate error it doesn't work.
> 
>> While we're on the subject (as I've never bothered with HTTPS on the site 
>> until now), turns out it's rather misconfigured. Both the wiki and the main 
>> site return a certificate for emu.freenetproject.org? That address isn't 
>> accessible--what was it, and shouldn't we get this fixed?
>>
> 
> This certificat has X509v3 Subject Alternative Names. It should is valid for 
> the following fqdns:
> emu.freenetproject.org, freenetproject.org, osprey.freenetproject.org, 
> bugs.freenetproject.org, downloads.freenetproject.org
> 
> Florent
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Re: [freenet-dev] Channel 4 mention?

[Luke R.]

No reference of it on their website apparently (according to Google Site 
Search). Their most recent news article was all about the "Criminal underworld" 
on TOR.
http://www.channel4.com/news/dark-web-the-internet-behind-our-own

Oh well. :P

--- On Sat, 2/4/12, Ian Clarke  wrote:

From: Ian Clarke 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Channel 4 mention?
To: "Discussion of development of development issues" 
Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 8:06 PM

I heard that we were mentioned today on some Channel 4 (UK) program in 
connection with Bitcoin.  Did anyone catch this?
Ian.

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[Luke R.]

No reference of it on their website apparently (according to Google Site 
Search). Their most recent news article was all about the "Criminal underworld" 
on TOR.
http://www.channel4.com/news/dark-web-the-internet-behind-our-own

Oh well. :P

--- On Sat, 2/4/12, Ian Clarke  wrote:

From: Ian Clarke 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Channel 4 mention?
To: "Discussion of development of development issues" 
Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 8:06 PM

I heard that we were mentioned today on some Channel 4 (UK) program in 
connection with Bitcoin. ?Did anyone catch this?
Ian.

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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Wikipedia page

[Luke R.]

No one added TIME Magazine article cited source? For shame...
Don't worry I fixed it. :) I also found this guys blog:
http://onemansblog.com/2007/05/15/privacy-equals-freedom-support-the-freenet-project/

--- On Sun, 12/18/11, Arne Babenhauserheide  wrote:

> From: Arne Babenhauserheide 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Wikipedia page
> To: devl@freenetproject.org
> Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011,
> 17:36:48 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > On Friday 16 Dec 2011 05:44:06 Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > There are some issues raised at the top of
> Freenet's wikipedia page:
> > >   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
> > > 
> > > It would be good if we could address some of
> these shortcomings, while
> > > retaining a neutral point of view
> obviously.  Any volunteers?
> > 
> > Good luck finding any reliable sources!
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[freenet-dev] Freenet Wikipedia page

[Luke R.]

No one added TIME Magazine article cited source? For shame...
Don't worry I fixed it. :) I also found this guys blog:
http://onemansblog.com/2007/05/15/privacy-equals-freedom-support-the-freenet-project/

--- On Sun, 12/18/11, Arne Babenhauserheide  wrote:

> From: Arne Babenhauserheide 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Wikipedia page
> To: devl at freenetproject.org
> Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011,
> 17:36:48 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > On Friday 16 Dec 2011 05:44:06 Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > There are some issues raised at the top of
> Freenet's wikipedia page:
> > >???http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
> > > 
> > > It would be good if we could address some of
> these shortcomings, while
> > > retaining a neutral point of view
> obviously.? Any volunteers?
> > 
> > Good luck finding any reliable sources!
> (cur | prev) 20:51, 17 December 2011? ArneBab (talk |
> contribs)? (32,852 
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> (cur | prev) 16:34, 17 December 2011? 1exec1 (talk |
> contribs)? (32,822 bytes) 
> (Some copyediting. Removed {{lead too short}} and {{more
> footnotes}}, they no 
> longer applies. Left {{primary sources}}, this is still a
> real concern) (undo)
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> next one?
> 
> --
> Ich hab' nichts zu verbergen ? hab ich gedacht: 
> 
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Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox privacy mode destroys existing windows - how the **** can we deal with this? was Fwd: [Freenet 0005209]: Freenet forces firefox into private browsing mode

[Luke R.]

I think we are looking over the obvious. Submit a bug to FireFox and say that 
we want it to alert us before going into Private Browsing mode. Make it an 
option, even if forced from a command line app. Then everyone is happy.


--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

From: Matthew Toseland 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox privacy mode destroys existing windows - how 
the  can we deal with this? was Fwd: [Freenet 0005209]: Freenet forces 
firefox into private browsing mode
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 11:30 AM

On Monday 11 Jul 2011 21:46:10 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> It looks like the original justification for this is somewhat less now, since 
> Firefox 4 and later *mostly* fix the CSS history leak. They don't eliminate 
> all possibilities, there are some options if you know what url you are 
> looking for, but probing hundreds of editions via javascript or image loading 
> doesn't work.
> 
> Having said that, it does make sense to launch the browser in privacy mode if 
> possible. E.g. to prevent history being written at all.
> 
> Going to privacy mode manually saves all tabs, and they can be got back by 
> manually exiting privacy mode or restarting the browser.
> 
> Also, firefox -privacy  for me on ff5 on windows just opens another tab, 
> without using privacy mode. Much the same as (some older versions of?) 
> Chrome. The bug reporter was using 3.6.
> 
> All this changes things somewhat. See the bug:
> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=5209
> 
Given that:
1) -private doesn't work anyway on FF5 if there are other tabs, it just ignores 
it, like Chrome used to, and
2) It does clobber the other tags in ff3.6 (according to the bug reporter, we 
should test this), and
3) The CSS history leak doesn't happen with ff4+ (or is very hard to exploit at 
least), and
4) We would like to use privacy or incognito mode nonetheless as it should 
result in the browser being more careful, and in particular it won't record 
history
...
The easiest solution would appear to be to not use -private with ff3.6+. Maybe 
we should test it with 3.6, 4 and 5 - if on 4 and 5 it merely ignores the 
private flag, that's at least not destructive, we could only use it on 4+???

Another option is to have a checkbox in the installer.

BOTH OF THESE SOLUTIONS SUCK! So we're back to where we started. :(

Telling them to use Chrome sucks too. It's not widely available on linux yet, 
and it's not clear whether it has the CSS history fix.

Are there any other options? :(

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[freenet-dev] Firefox privacy mode destroys existing windows - how the **** can we deal with this? was Fwd: [Freenet 0005209]: Freenet forces firefox into private browsing mode

[Luke R.]

I think we are looking over the obvious. Submit a bug to FireFox and say that 
we want it to alert us before going into Private Browsing mode. Make it an 
option, even if forced from a command line app. Then everyone is happy.


--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

From: Matthew Toseland 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox privacy mode destroys existing windows - how 
the  can we deal with this? was Fwd: [Freenet 0005209]: Freenet forces 
firefox into private browsing mode
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 11:30 AM

On Monday 11 Jul 2011 21:46:10 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> It looks like the original justification for this is somewhat less now, since 
> Firefox 4 and later *mostly* fix the CSS history leak. They don't eliminate 
> all possibilities, there are some options if you know what url you are 
> looking for, but probing hundreds of editions via javascript or image loading 
> doesn't work.
> 
> Having said that, it does make sense to launch the browser in privacy mode if 
> possible. E.g. to prevent history being written at all.
> 
> Going to privacy mode manually saves all tabs, and they can be got back by 
> manually exiting privacy mode or restarting the browser.
> 
> Also, firefox -privacy  for me on ff5 on windows just opens another tab, 
> without using privacy mode. Much the same as (some older versions of?) 
> Chrome. The bug reporter was using 3.6.
> 
> All this changes things somewhat. See the bug:
> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=5209
> 
Given that:
1) -private doesn't work anyway on FF5 if there are other tabs, it just ignores 
it, like Chrome used to, and
2) It does clobber the other tags in ff3.6 (according to the bug reporter, we 
should test this), and
3) The CSS history leak doesn't happen with ff4+ (or is very hard to exploit at 
least), and
4) We would like to use privacy or incognito mode nonetheless as it should 
result in the browser being more careful, and in particular it won't record 
history
...
The easiest solution would appear to be to not use -private with ff3.6+. Maybe 
we should test it with 3.6, 4 and 5 - if on 4 and 5 it merely ignores the 
private flag, that's at least not destructive, we could only use it on 4+???

Another option is to have a checkbox in the installer.

BOTH OF THESE SOLUTIONS SUCK! So we're back to where we started. :(

Telling them to use Chrome sucks too. It's not widely available on linux yet, 
and it's not clear whether it has the CSS history fix.

Are there any other options? :(

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Re: [freenet-dev] Marketing Freenet: Anyone help?

[Luke R.]

I think the button actually looks good since the site's theme is simplistic, 
however, the location of the button is not good at all. Perhaps move it to the 
left? It might break the sites current "code" of having everything in a center 
frame, but I think it should be in a cell to the left of the page entirely (in 
the blank space). That way it would be in plain site and still not in the way 
of the download buttons.

If you need .svg of paypal/bitcoin/credit-card logos I can make some to fit the 
desired style. Just send me some examples.

Regarding marketing, commercials should be actual videos showing IRL example 
usages of freenet. Such as the person in china who uses it for communication, 
the wikileaker, etc. etc. (come up with some?) :P
That would peak interest.

Luke

--- On Thu, 6/9/11, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

From: Matthew Toseland 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Marketing Freenet: Anyone help?
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 12:37 PM

Ian has suggested that we might benefit from some of the standard marketing 
wisdom.

Our donate button should be orange, according to some online resources. 
Somebody want to have a go?

Arguably the donate button isn't visible because users go straight to the 
install button? Dunno what to do about this...

We should have a link under or above the Donate button. The CSS may make this 
tricky.

It might make sense to reorganise the donate page a bit:
- Does everyone know/have paypal? (apart from geeks who have bitcoins) - should 
we include credit card icons? Where would we get them from (legally)?
- Should it be more compact?

And ideally we would A/B-test things.

(Note that we have absolutely no resources for advertising, and running other 
people's adverts for cash is not something we will do unless we have no other 
choice!)

Having said that, IMHO the best ways to get more users and more donations in 
the medium term are:
- To improve Freenet's performance.
- To make it easier to invite your friends to Freenet.
- To get more volunteers and more content.

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[freenet-dev] Marketing Freenet: Anyone help?

[Luke R.]

I think the button actually looks good since the site's theme is simplistic, 
however, the location of the button is not good at all. Perhaps move it to the 
left? It might break the sites current "code" of having everything in a center 
frame, but I think it should be in a cell to the left of the page entirely (in 
the blank space). That way it would be in plain site and still not in the way 
of the download buttons.

If you need .svg of paypal/bitcoin/credit-card logos I can make some to fit the 
desired style. Just send me some examples.

Regarding marketing, commercials should be actual videos showing IRL example 
usages of freenet. Such as the person in china who uses it for communication, 
the wikileaker, etc. etc. (come up with some?) :P
That would peak interest.

Luke

--- On Thu, 6/9/11, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

From: Matthew Toseland 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Marketing Freenet: Anyone help?
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 12:37 PM

Ian has suggested that we might benefit from some of the standard marketing 
wisdom.

Our donate button should be orange, according to some online resources. 
Somebody want to have a go?

Arguably the donate button isn't visible because users go straight to the 
install button? Dunno what to do about this...

We should have a link under or above the Donate button. The CSS may make this 
tricky.

It might make sense to reorganise the donate page a bit:
- Does everyone know/have paypal? (apart from geeks who have bitcoins) - should 
we include credit card icons? Where would we get them from (legally)?
- Should it be more compact?

And ideally we would A/B-test things.

(Note that we have absolutely no resources for advertising, and running other 
people's adverts for cash is not something we will do unless we have no other 
choice!)

Having said that, IMHO the best ways to get more users and more donations in 
the medium term are:
- To improve Freenet's performance.
- To make it easier to invite your friends to Freenet.
- To get more volunteers and more content.

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Re: [freenet-dev] 6

[Luke R.]

Positively fascinating information my dear friend. I like how it attempts to 
use a social engineer exploit to trick users into downloading a fake a/v. Alas, 
I grow bored of these viruses.

Scan your PC for malware and change your account information at Yahoo. 

Luke

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, pineapple  wrote:

From: pineapple 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] 6
To: c...@freenetproject.org, icarus@gmail.com, devl@freenetproject.org, 
supp...@freenetproject.org, donotre...@crypticstudios.com, 
no-re...@bioware.swtor.com
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:45 PM

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[freenet-dev] 6

[Luke R.]

Positively fascinating information my dear friend. I like how it attempts to 
use a social engineer exploit to trick users into downloading a fake a/v. Alas, 
I grow bored of these viruses.

Scan your PC for malware and change your account information at Yahoo. 

Luke

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, pineapple  wrote:

From: pineapple 
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] 6
To: chat at freenetproject.org, icarus.lnx at gmail.com, devl at 
freenetproject.org, support at freenetproject.org, donotreply at 
crypticstudios.com, no-reply at bioware.swtor.com
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:45 PM

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Re: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Luke R.]

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Hello,
Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am "not" a developer, but I am 
working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. We 
definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
discuss that with us.

Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
checkout the "Legal Downloads" flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
for years. You can see the flog posts "Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3" 
once you join freenet. It's pretty technical...

See you around. :)
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--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Tom Elovi Spruce  wrote:

From: Tom Elovi Spruce 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM

Hi all,
I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical details 
when the project asks for it.)

Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
contributors: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the 
general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the 
deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create. 
Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I see 
no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese 
government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would like 
to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and bittorrent. 
Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a 
stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
robust sharing platform. 
2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
and, on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
y'all. 
Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets 
dark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
[insert valediction],i❤computers




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Hello,
Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am "not" a developer, but I am 
working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. We 
definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
discuss that with us.

Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
checkout the "Legal Downloads" flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
for years. You can see the flog posts "Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3" 
once you join freenet. It's pretty technical...

See you around. :)
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--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Tom Elovi Spruce  wrote:

From: Tom Elovi Spruce 
Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM

Hi all,
I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
implementation. ?(However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical details 
when the project asks for it.)

Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
contributors:?http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the 
general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the 
deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create. 
Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I see 
no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese 
government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would like 
to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and bittorrent.?
Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet:?
1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a 
stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
robust sharing platform.?
2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
client-server platform of HTTP (I'm?likely?wrong on this; you guys know 
better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others.?
Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
and, on my free time,?create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
y'all.?
Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets 
dark:?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
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