Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet New User Usecases
Hi, Matthew Toseland writes: > On 02/05/16 23:05, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >> The first few are also shown in an example video session ☺ >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8a8em-4m0w > > Should this be linked from somewhere? Feel free to share it wherever you like :) >> * No Requirements >> This is what we can do without installing anything else: >> >> ** read what other users wrote and download what they share > Only in terms of freesites, can't read forums without installing > WoT/Sone/FMS. They can read parts of FMS (since nerdageddon started to show the FMS pages on the front page). >> hard to discover due to missing activelinks in default config: the links >> look boring > Waiting for them to load is bad too. Javascript? More aggressive prefetching? I think so, yes. Someone in Freenet showed a nice CSS trick to load activelinks in a delayed way. >> ** upload files confidentially and send them to friends by other means >> >> But backed by Freenet, so no one could censor or trace it. No central >> control. > There's a plugin for that isn't there? Or was it an app? There was Warren, a KDE app. But that’s not the point: These are usecases which work out of the box. >> breaks by "other ID not yet known". > > That's bad. :( > I believe solutions were discussed? One option would just be to wait and > retry automatically? Yes, they were discussed. They just weren’t implemented. Retrying automatically would be an option. It needs to retrieve the ID, though: Not just make the other trust you, but also make WoT download the other ID. > In any case if you want them to see your post, you need to announce your > WoT identity. Fortunately FSNG and other docs help with this. That means: Doesn’t work out of the box. > Using CAPTCHAs directly rather than WoT is an option (extend Freemail > 0.1?), may be faster, but more vulnerable. Yes, that. Also not implemented. Or better: Offer both. If the ID is not in WoT, provide it directly. Can we calculate the full key from the routing part which is in the freemail address? >> ** write in FMS (Forums) >> ** upload complex website >> - jSite or pyFreenet > > "Upload a directory" is easy, only need basic UI. I thought that was > what Sharesite did? Upload directory you can update isn’t that easy: You have to remember the insert key. Sharesite provides a much easier UI. >> * need plugin + external application >> ** run inproxy to host a site over Freenet (SCGIPublisher or what >> [[https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html][what >> bluishcoder does]]) >> >> https://github.com/saces/SCGIPublisher > Same thing with wget??? wget? Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet New User Usecases
On 02/05/16 23:05, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Hi, > > Florent asked me today what Freenet usecases can be done easily. > > I gathered some, most usable first.¹ > > > The first few are also shown in an example video session ☺ > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8a8em-4m0w Should this be linked from somewhere? > > > * No Requirements > This is what we can do without installing anything else: > > ** read what other users wrote and download what they share Only in terms of freesites, can't read forums without installing WoT/Sone/FMS. > > hard to discover due to missing activelinks in default config: the links look > boring Waiting for them to load is bad too. Javascript? More aggressive prefetching? > > ** follow updates of others > > requires clicking on "Messages" > > -> Need update notifications per bookmarks like Winterface > > ** upload files confidentially and send them to friends by other means > > This is a multistep process: It should be drag and drop -> a pastebin like > https://share.riseup.net/ > > But backed by Freenet, so no one could censor or trace it. No central control. There's a plugin for that isn't there? Or was it an app? > > > > * need to activate official plugin > all of these need WoT > > ** write a flog entry > multistep, prone to breakage, spills upload time > > ** write a freemail (whistleblower stuff!) > > breaks by "other ID not yet known". That's bad. :( I believe solutions were discussed? One option would just be to wait and retry automatically? In any case if you want them to see your post, you need to announce your WoT identity. Fortunately FSNG and other docs help with this. Using CAPTCHAs directly rather than WoT is an option (extend Freemail 0.1?), may be faster, but more vulnerable. > > * need plugin in default bookmarks > ** write and comment in Sone > also needs WoT setup > > > > * need inofficial plugin > ** publish with Sharesite > spills upload time > could be made official (mostly reviewed) > > > > * need external application > ** write in FLIP (Chat) > spills activity time > > ** write in FMS (Forums) > ** upload complex website > - jSite or pyFreenet "Upload a directory" is easy, only need basic UI. I thought that was what Sharesite did? > > > > * need plugin + external application > ** run inproxy to host a site over Freenet (SCGIPublisher or what > [[https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html][what > bluishcoder does]]) > > https://github.com/saces/SCGIPublisher Same thing with wget??? > > > > ¹: Ideas for estimating the cost: clicks (.) + decisions (|) + wait time > (mm:ss) > > > Best wishes, > Arne signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Freenet New User Usecases
Hi, Florent asked me today what Freenet usecases can be done easily. I gathered some, most usable first.¹ The first few are also shown in an example video session ☺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8a8em-4m0w * No Requirements This is what we can do without installing anything else: ** read what other users wrote and download what they share hard to discover due to missing activelinks in default config: the links look boring ** follow updates of others requires clicking on "Messages" -> Need update notifications per bookmarks like Winterface ** upload files confidentially and send them to friends by other means This is a multistep process: It should be drag and drop -> a pastebin like https://share.riseup.net/ But backed by Freenet, so no one could censor or trace it. No central control. * need to activate official plugin all of these need WoT ** write a flog entry multistep, prone to breakage, spills upload time ** write a freemail (whistleblower stuff!) breaks by "other ID not yet known". * need plugin in default bookmarks ** write and comment in Sone also needs WoT setup * need inofficial plugin ** publish with Sharesite spills upload time could be made official (mostly reviewed) * need external application ** write in FLIP (Chat) spills activity time ** write in FMS (Forums) ** upload complex website - jSite or pyFreenet * need plugin + external application ** run inproxy to host a site over Freenet (SCGIPublisher or what [[https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html][what bluishcoder does]]) https://github.com/saces/SCGIPublisher ¹: Ideas for estimating the cost: clicks (.) + decisions (|) + wait time (mm:ss) Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
