Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:56 PM, wrote: > Freenet users have the reasonable expectation they won't be tracked by a > corporate third party when visiting a privacy promoting website. Firstly, nobody visiting any website on the web should have such an expectation, that's one of the reasons for creating Freenet in the first place. Freenet is on a server that is hosted by a corporate third party, accessed via network links that are all owned by corporate third parties - there is no way around it. Secondly, the purpose of Freenet is to promote freedom of communication. There is overlap between that goal and the goal of promoting privacy, but they're not the same thing, and occasionally they conflict, so we should avoid conflating the two things. But I agree that if we can get all the functionality we need without using Google Analytics then we shouldn't use it, but pretending that you have any privacy from corporate third parties when visiting any website on the web, including freenetproject.org, is just promoting ignorance. Ian. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
On 25/10/15 18:56, salutarydiacritica...@ruggedinbox.com wrote: > Freenet users have the reasonable expectation they won't be tracked by > a corporate third party when visiting a privacy promoting website. Right. Whether they are right or not, we should avoid doing anything that will aggravate privacy-conscious users, since they're our primary demographic. Especially when it doesn't generate anything we can't get from logfiles anyway. > > On 2015-10-25 14:04, Ian wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:38 PM, >> >> wrote: >> >>> For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket >>> for it on bug tracker. >> Out of interest - why not? >> >> Ian. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
Freenet users have the reasonable expectation they won't be tracked by a corporate third party when visiting a privacy promoting website. On 2015-10-25 14:04, Ian wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:38 PM, wrote: For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket for it on bug tracker. Out of interest - why not? Ian. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:38 PM, wrote: > For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket > for it on bug tracker. Out of interest - why not? Ian. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
Right. In the PETS paper they were looking at unique identifiers over a month. Your way of looking at hourly numbers is realistic because of churn. CENO doesn't mention how they measured anywhere. On 2015-10-25 01:05, Steve Dougherty wrote: We're not using Google analytics; that bug is outdated since the new site launched a few days ago. We are now using piwik webserver log analysis. I don't know where those other estimates came from. It'll be unsurprising that my numbers sound the most reasonable to me. The stats site goes into detail on what exactly the estimates are of and how they're generated; you can compare that to the PETS and CENO techniques. I'll be interested to learn how they differ - could you report back if you find anything? I'd actually expect at least one of those to be the total number of unique identifiers observed over some period, which does not reflect network size as far as number of nodes regularly online. I'm not sure how accuracy might be improved. As mentioned in the explanation section of my stats page, weighting by the uptime percentage included with each probe identifier might help, but it's not especially clear what sort of weighting is appropriate. - Steve On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 11:39 PM wrote: For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket for it on bug tracker. Piwik is an open source analytics system you can try instead. Speaking of analytics, I am trying to learn the network size. Steve's site reports 10K nodes, the 2014 PETS paper puts it around 60K nodes after harvesting node information and CENO says theres 100K nodes. Which do I believe and how can there be more accuracy? ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
Am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2015, 05:05:09 schrieb Steve Dougherty: > The stats site goes into > detail on what exactly the estimates are of and how they're generated here’s the stats site: http://127.0.0.1:/USK@pxtehd-TmfJwyNUAW2Clk4pwv7Nshyg21NNfXcqzFv4,LTjcTWqvsq3ju6pMGe9Cqb3scvQgECG81hRdgj5WO4s,AQACAAE/statistics/1013/ Or on the clearnet: https://d6.gnutella2.info/freenet/USK@pxtehd-TmfJwyNUAW2Clk4pwv7Nshyg21NNfXcqzFv4,LTjcTWqvsq3ju6pMGe9Cqb3scvQgECG81hRdgj5WO4s,AQACAAE/statistics/1013/ Best wishes, Arne -- Celebrate with ye beauty and gather yer friends for a Pirate Party! → http://1w6.org/english/flyerbook-rules#pirate-party ← signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Metrics
We're not using Google analytics; that bug is outdated since the new site launched a few days ago. We are now using piwik webserver log analysis. I don't know where those other estimates came from. It'll be unsurprising that my numbers sound the most reasonable to me. The stats site goes into detail on what exactly the estimates are of and how they're generated; you can compare that to the PETS and CENO techniques. I'll be interested to learn how they differ - could you report back if you find anything? I'd actually expect at least one of those to be the total number of unique identifiers observed over some period, which does not reflect network size as far as number of nodes regularly online. I'm not sure how accuracy might be improved. As mentioned in the explanation section of my stats page, weighting by the uptime percentage included with each probe identifier might help, but it's not especially clear what sort of weighting is appropriate. - Steve On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 11:39 PM wrote: > For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket > for it on bug tracker. Piwik is an open source analytics system you can > try instead. > > Speaking of analytics, I am trying to learn the network size. Steve's > site reports 10K nodes, the 2014 PETS paper puts it around 60K nodes > after harvesting node information and CENO says theres 100K nodes. Which > do I believe and how can there be more accuracy? > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Metrics
For Pete's sake don't run Google analytics on your site. I saw a ticket for it on bug tracker. Piwik is an open source analytics system you can try instead. Speaking of analytics, I am trying to learn the network size. Steve's site reports 10K nodes, the 2014 PETS paper puts it around 60K nodes after harvesting node information and CENO says theres 100K nodes. Which do I believe and how can there be more accuracy? ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
