Re: [xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Alex Cotiugă]

Results: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Bug%20Fixing%20Day%20153

Thanks,
Alex

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Clément Aubin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 11/02/2017 09:49 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> >
> >> On 1 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Alexandru Cotiuga 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello devs,
> >>
> >> This Thursday is BFD#153:
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays
> >>
> >> Our current status is:
> >>
> >> * -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to
> have
> >> created bugs # = closed bugs #
> >
> > I guess you meant 36 and not 28 :)
> >
> >> * -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
> >> * -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
> >> * -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)
> >
> > Wow we’re really drifting… we were positive till roughly early 2015 and
> then we’ve kept increasing then, see:
> > https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=
> 10352#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/13610
> >
> > Note that we’ve changed the definition of the query (The query is:
> category = 1 AND issuetype = Bug ORDER BY key DESC), since we added
> some projects (CK, Tour, Templates, Help) but those were inside platform
> before so in practice it doesn’t change the scope.
> >
> > Also note that we’ve moved out several modules outside of platform and
> into contrib projects so that should have removed issues/bugs! Thus the
> situation is even worse than it appears...
> >
> > I wonder what made this increase in bugs...
> >
> > Some ideas:
> >
> > * We have less devs active on the xwiki github org. See the commit stats
> on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2123416786.png
> (last bar on the right is from June 2016 to June 2017). So this means less
> issues fixed but also less bugs fixed.
> >
> > * Out of the 639 open bugs I see in my query, the categories with > 15
> open bugs are:
> > ** Dev issues only: 21
> > ** Extension: 17
> > ** AS: 18
> > ** Administration: 20
> > ** AWM: 20
> > ** Office: 18
> > ** Old Core: 114
> > ** WYSIWYG (including CKEditor): 30+10 = 40
> > (this accounts for 268 bugs, i.e. 41% only, the rest is scattered across
> other categories)
> >> * Less BFDs than before?
> >
> > WDYT?
>
> One other idea : we have more active installs (see
> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2142541496.png)
> since … hmm … ok, hard to tell ^^ ; but it's globally increasing. We
> then have more user feedback, which can lead to more issues.
>
> Regarding the possibles solutions, here are some of them :
>
> * As we are now preparing for a new LTS release, it could be nice to
> organize something like a BFW (Bug Fixing Week) or a BFM ; I didn't
> checked if we are on time on the roadmap though, but this could help
> lowering the number of bugs going in the 10.* versions ; especially
> considering the fact that some difficult bugs take more than one day to
> resolve.
>
> * The GCI might help reducing the number of trivial / easy bugs if done
> correctly.
>
> * The category having the most bugs is Old Core (about 17% of the total
> number of bugs) and it's growing (see
> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13924). Maybe
> we should either :
> ** Try to focus more on Old Core bugs during BFDs
> ** Try to solve the fact that, after 10+ years of «Moving away from the
> Old Core» (see
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#
> HMigratingawayfromtheOldCore)
> we are still heavily relying on it and integrate some solutions for
> removing some Old Core components directly as part of the 2018 roadmap.
>
> Hope it helps,
> Clément
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >
> >> * -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki
> >>
> >> See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
> >> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923
> >>
> >> Happy Bug Fixing Day,
> >> Alex
> >
>

Re: [xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Clément Aubin]

Hi,

On 11/02/2017 09:49 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> 
>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Alexandru Cotiuga  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello devs,
>>
>> This Thursday is BFD#153:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays
>>
>> Our current status is:
>>
>> * -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to have
>> created bugs # = closed bugs #
> 
> I guess you meant 36 and not 28 :)
> 
>> * -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
>> * -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
>> * -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)
> 
> Wow we’re really drifting… we were positive till roughly early 2015 and then 
> we’ve kept increasing then, see:
> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/13610
> 
> Note that we’ve changed the definition of the query (The query is: category = 
> 1 AND issuetype = Bug ORDER BY key DESC), since we added some projects 
> (CK, Tour, Templates, Help) but those were inside platform before so in 
> practice it doesn’t change the scope.
> 
> Also note that we’ve moved out several modules outside of platform and into 
> contrib projects so that should have removed issues/bugs! Thus the situation 
> is even worse than it appears...
> 
> I wonder what made this increase in bugs...
> 
> Some ideas:
> 
> * We have less devs active on the xwiki github org. See the commit stats on 
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2123416786.png (last bar 
> on the right is from June 2016 to June 2017). So this means less issues fixed 
> but also less bugs fixed.
> 
> * Out of the 639 open bugs I see in my query, the categories with > 15 open 
> bugs are:
> ** Dev issues only: 21
> ** Extension: 17
> ** AS: 18
> ** Administration: 20
> ** AWM: 20
> ** Office: 18
> ** Old Core: 114
> ** WYSIWYG (including CKEditor): 30+10 = 40
> (this accounts for 268 bugs, i.e. 41% only, the rest is scattered across 
> other categories)
>> * Less BFDs than before?
> 
> WDYT?

One other idea : we have more active installs (see
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2142541496.png)
since … hmm … ok, hard to tell ^^ ; but it's globally increasing. We
then have more user feedback, which can lead to more issues.

Regarding the possibles solutions, here are some of them :

* As we are now preparing for a new LTS release, it could be nice to
organize something like a BFW (Bug Fixing Week) or a BFM ; I didn't
checked if we are on time on the roadmap though, but this could help
lowering the number of bugs going in the 10.* versions ; especially
considering the fact that some difficult bugs take more than one day to
resolve.

* The GCI might help reducing the number of trivial / easy bugs if done
correctly.

* The category having the most bugs is Old Core (about 17% of the total
number of bugs) and it's growing (see
https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13924). Maybe
we should either :
** Try to focus more on Old Core bugs during BFDs
** Try to solve the fact that, after 10+ years of «Moving away from the
Old Core» (see
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HMigratingawayfromtheOldCore)
we are still heavily relying on it and integrate some solutions for
removing some Old Core components directly as part of the 2018 roadmap.

Hope it helps,
Clément

> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
> 
>> * -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki
>>
>> See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352
>>
>>
>> Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
>> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923
>>
>> Happy Bug Fixing Day,
>> Alex
> 

Re: [xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Vincent Massol]

> On 2 Nov 2017, at 09:57, Thomas Mortagne  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Alexandru Cotiuga  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello devs,
>>> 
>>> This Thursday is BFD#153:
>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays
>>> 
>>> Our current status is:
>>> 
>>> * -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to have
>>> created bugs # = closed bugs #
>> 
>> I guess you meant 36 and not 28 :)
>> 
>>> * -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
>>> * -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
>>> * -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)
>> 
>> Wow we’re really drifting… we were positive till roughly early 2015 and then 
>> we’ve kept increasing then, see:
>> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/13610
>> 
>> Note that we’ve changed the definition of the query (The query is: category 
>> = 1 AND issuetype = Bug ORDER BY key DESC), since we added some projects 
>> (CK, Tour, Templates, Help) but those were inside platform before so in 
>> practice it doesn’t change the scope.
> 
> Not sure what you mean, those projects never been part of platform.

I mean that they’re currently in contrib but in practice since they’re bundled 
in XWiki Standard they should be in platform, as new modules (same as other 
modules we’ve added in platform since 2015) or replacing modules we moved out 
(CK replacing GWT for ex).

Thanks
-Vincent

> 
>> 
>> Also note that we’ve moved out several modules outside of platform and into 
>> contrib projects so that should have removed issues/bugs! Thus the situation 
>> is even worse than it appears...
>> 
>> I wonder what made this increase in bugs...
>> 
>> Some ideas:
>> 
>> * We have less devs active on the xwiki github org. See the commit stats on 
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2123416786.png (last 
>> bar on the right is from June 2016 to June 2017). So this means less issues 
>> fixed but also less bugs fixed.
>> 
>> * Out of the 639 open bugs I see in my query, the categories with > 15 open 
>> bugs are:
>> ** Dev issues only: 21
>> ** Extension: 17
>> ** AS: 18
>> ** Administration: 20
>> ** AWM: 20
>> ** Office: 18
>> ** Old Core: 114
>> ** WYSIWYG (including CKEditor): 30+10 = 40
>> (this accounts for 268 bugs, i.e. 41% only, the rest is scattered across 
>> other categories)
>> 
>> * Less BFDs than before?
>> 
>> WDYT?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>> 
>> 
>>> * -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki
>>> 
>>> See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
>>> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923
>>> 
>>> Happy Bug Fixing Day,
>>> Alex
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Mortagne

Re: [xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Thomas Mortagne]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
>
>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Alexandru Cotiuga  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello devs,
>>
>> This Thursday is BFD#153:
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays
>>
>> Our current status is:
>>
>> * -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to have
>> created bugs # = closed bugs #
>
> I guess you meant 36 and not 28 :)
>
>> * -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
>> * -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
>> * -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)
>
> Wow we’re really drifting… we were positive till roughly early 2015 and then 
> we’ve kept increasing then, see:
> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/13610
>
> Note that we’ve changed the definition of the query (The query is: category = 
> 1 AND issuetype = Bug ORDER BY key DESC), since we added some projects 
> (CK, Tour, Templates, Help) but those were inside platform before so in 
> practice it doesn’t change the scope.

Not sure what you mean, those projects never been part of platform.

>
> Also note that we’ve moved out several modules outside of platform and into 
> contrib projects so that should have removed issues/bugs! Thus the situation 
> is even worse than it appears...
>
> I wonder what made this increase in bugs...
>
> Some ideas:
>
> * We have less devs active on the xwiki github org. See the commit stats on 
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2123416786.png (last bar 
> on the right is from June 2016 to June 2017). So this means less issues fixed 
> but also less bugs fixed.
>
> * Out of the 639 open bugs I see in my query, the categories with > 15 open 
> bugs are:
> ** Dev issues only: 21
> ** Extension: 17
> ** AS: 18
> ** Administration: 20
> ** AWM: 20
> ** Office: 18
> ** Old Core: 114
> ** WYSIWYG (including CKEditor): 30+10 = 40
> (this accounts for 268 bugs, i.e. 41% only, the rest is scattered across 
> other categories)
>
> * Less BFDs than before?
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
>> * -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki
>>
>> See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352
>>
>>
>> Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
>> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923
>>
>> Happy Bug Fixing Day,
>> Alex
>



-- 
Thomas Mortagne

Re: [xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Vincent Massol]

> On 1 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Alexandru Cotiuga  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello devs,
> 
> This Thursday is BFD#153:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays
> 
> Our current status is:
> 
> * -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to have
> created bugs # = closed bugs #

I guess you meant 36 and not 28 :)

> * -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
> * -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
> * -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)

Wow we’re really drifting… we were positive till roughly early 2015 and then 
we’ve kept increasing then, see:
https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/13610

Note that we’ve changed the definition of the query (The query is: category = 
1 AND issuetype = Bug ORDER BY key DESC), since we added some projects (CK, 
Tour, Templates, Help) but those were inside platform before so in practice it 
doesn’t change the scope.

Also note that we’ve moved out several modules outside of platform and into 
contrib projects so that should have removed issues/bugs! Thus the situation is 
even worse than it appears...

I wonder what made this increase in bugs...

Some ideas:

* We have less devs active on the xwiki github org. See the commit stats on 
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/temp/space/page/chart/2123416786.png (last bar 
on the right is from June 2016 to June 2017). So this means less issues fixed 
but also less bugs fixed.

* Out of the 639 open bugs I see in my query, the categories with > 15 open 
bugs are:
** Dev issues only: 21
** Extension: 17
** AS: 18
** Administration: 20
** AWM: 20
** Office: 18
** Old Core: 114
** WYSIWYG (including CKEditor): 30+10 = 40
(this accounts for 268 bugs, i.e. 41% only, the rest is scattered across other 
categories)

* Less BFDs than before?

WDYT?

Thanks
-Vincent


> * -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki
> 
> See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352
> 
> 
> Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
> https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923
> 
> Happy Bug Fixing Day,
> Alex

[xwiki-devs] [XWiki Day] BFD#153

[Alexandru Cotiuga]

Hello devs,

This Thursday is BFD#153:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/XWikiDays#HBugfixingdays

Our current status is:

* -36 bugs over 120 days (4 months), i.e. we need to close 28 bugs to have
created bugs # = closed bugs #
* -78 bugs over 365 days (1 year)
* -52 bugs over 500 days (between 1 and 2 years)
* -218 bugs over 1600 days (4.3 years)
* -690 bugs since the beginning of XWiki

See https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10352


Here's the BFD#153 dashboard to follow the progress during the day:
https://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13923

Happy Bug Fixing Day,
Alex