Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data elements, and the categories/dimensions of those elements. Data elements are such as Number of patients testing positive for disease X and categories are such as in phase A, in Phase B, etc. I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to enter Number of patients testing positive (in phase A) and Number of patients testing positive (in phase B), as it seems they should if the categories are defined. However, I'm having trouble making this happen. The documentation at several points makes references to assigning a category to a data element but I cannot find any place where it described how this is done, nor can I seem to make it happen after playing with the interface for about an hour. This is all very confusing, and I'm hoping someone can explain how it works? Do I need to create a category combo? Why are category combos I create not showing up in the dataset section form's category combo dropdown, ever? Do categories associate with data elements or with (groups, sets, datasets, dataset sections), etc? How do all of these entities relate? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Jason P. Pickering email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com tel:+260974901293 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
Dave, I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual: - chapter 4 on Data Elements - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The data element dimension, and section 19.8 From paper forms to multidimensional data sets - lessons learned Just to add to what Jason wrote: Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data sets or sections. If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with _1_ category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section form design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper form (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on rows). If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom forms. Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation will take place, and let that guide how you design data elements and categories, and not let the data entry form structure control that. The total and subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components (such as validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is definitely an advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in a form. Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the manual. We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session called Design of data elements and data sets): http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html Ola - -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps linkhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Vetlandsvn.+95B,+0685+Oslo,+Norway On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data elements, and the categories/dimensions of those elements. Data elements are such as Number of patients testing positive for disease X and categories are such as in phase A, in Phase B, etc. I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to enter Number of patients testing positive (in phase A) and Number of patients testing positive (in phase B), as it seems they should if the categories are defined. However, I'm having trouble making this happen. The documentation at several points makes references to assigning a category to a data element but I cannot find any place where it described how this is done, nor can I seem to make it happen after playing with the interface for about an hour. This is all very confusing, and I'm hoping someone can explain how it works? Do I need to create a category combo? Why are category combos I create not showing up in the dataset section form's category combo dropdown, ever? Do categories associate with data elements or with (groups, sets, datasets, dataset sections), etc? How do all of these entities relate? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Jason P. Pickering email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com tel:+260974901293
Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
If some of you are reading an old version of the manual I recommend updating it. http://dhis2.org/documentation now links to the most recent build of the manual, both in pdf and html. Ola --- -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps linkhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Vetlandsvn.+95B,+0685+Oslo,+Norway On 18 February 2011 21:02, Ola Hodne Titlestad ol...@ifi.uio.no wrote: Dave, I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual: - chapter 4 on Data Elements - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The data element dimension, and section 19.8 From paper forms to multidimensional data sets - lessons learned Just to add to what Jason wrote: Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data sets or sections. If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with _1_ category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section form design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper form (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on rows). If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom forms. Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation will take place, and let that guide how you design data elements and categories, and not let the data entry form structure control that. The total and subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components (such as validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is definitely an advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in a form. Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the manual. We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session called Design of data elements and data sets): http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html Ola - -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps linkhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Vetlandsvn.+95B,+0685+Oslo,+Norway On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data elements, and the categories/dimensions of those elements. Data elements are such as Number of patients testing positive for disease X and categories are such as in phase A, in Phase B, etc. I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to enter Number of patients testing positive (in phase A) and Number of patients testing positive (in phase B), as it seems they should if the categories are defined. However, I'm having trouble making this happen. The documentation at several points makes references to assigning a category to a data element but I cannot find any place where it described how this is done, nor can I seem to make it happen after playing with the interface for about an hour. This is all very confusing, and I'm hoping someone can explain how it works? Do I need to create a category combo?
Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
Ah, thanks for the informative replies! One of the problems I was having was that I was using the latest snapshot compiled from bzr and not the latest release, and the data element edit screen is completely different! Is there a way to do this currently in the current dev. branch? (We've already switched our proof-of-concept to the current release version, so this is making a lot more sense now following your advice and the user manual, which was confusing us in relation to the snapshot!) On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad ol...@ifi.uio.nowrote: Dave, I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual: - chapter 4 on Data Elements - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The data element dimension, and section 19.8 From paper forms to multidimensional data sets - lessons learned Just to add to what Jason wrote: Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data sets or sections. If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with _1_ category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section form design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper form (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on rows). If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom forms. Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation will take place, and let that guide how you design data elements and categories, and not let the data entry form structure control that. The total and subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components (such as validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is definitely an advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in a form. Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the manual. We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session called Design of data elements and data sets): http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html Ola - -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps linkhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Vetlandsvn.+95B,+0685+Oslo,+Norway On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data elements, and the categories/dimensions of those elements. Data elements are such as Number of patients testing positive for disease X and categories are such as in phase A, in Phase B, etc. I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to enter Number of patients testing positive (in phase A) and Number of patients testing positive (in phase B), as it seems they should if the categories are defined. However, I'm having trouble making this happen. The documentation at several points makes references to assigning a category to a data element but I cannot find any place where it described how this is done, nor can I seem to make it happen after playing with the interface for about an hour. This is all very confusing, and I'm hoping someone can explain how it works? Do I need to create a
Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
Perhaps obviously it it also possible not to use the default category as well. This essentially means that you have no categories and would need to create separate data elements for each level of disaggregation Data element 1) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in phase A Data element 2) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in phase B Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, thanks for the informative replies! One of the problems I was having was that I was using the latest snapshot compiled from bzr and not the latest release, and the data element edit screen is completely different! Is there a way to do this currently in the current dev. branch? (We've already switched our proof-of-concept to the current release version, so this is making a lot more sense now following your advice and the user manual, which was confusing us in relation to the snapshot!) On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad ol...@ifi.uio.no wrote: Dave, I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual: - chapter 4 on Data Elements - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The data element dimension, and section 19.8 From paper forms to multidimensional data sets - lessons learned Just to add to what Jason wrote: Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data sets or sections. If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with _1_ category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section form design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper form (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on rows). If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom forms. Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation will take place, and let that guide how you design data elements and categories, and not let the data entry form structure control that. The total and subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components (such as validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is definitely an advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in a form. Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the manual. We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session called Design of data elements and data sets): http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html Ola - -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps link On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data elements, and the categories/dimensions of those elements. Data elements are such as Number of patients testing positive for disease X and categories are such as in phase A, in Phase B, etc. I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to enter Number of patients testing positive (in phase A) and Number of patients testing positive (in phase B), as it seems they should if the categories are defined. However, I'm having trouble making
Re: [Dhis2-users] Assigning a category / category combo to a data element.
I didn't understand why we have concept? What concept does in this relation? On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. Early morning typo.. :O My point was that it is not required to have multi-dimensional data elements, although in some cases it does many a lot of sense to use them. *Perhaps obviously, it it also possible to use the default category as well. This essentially means that you have no categories and would need to create separate data elements for each level of disaggregation.* Regards,Jason Data element 1) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in phase A Data element 2) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in phase B Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, thanks for the informative replies! One of the problems I was having was that I was using the latest snapshot compiled from bzr and not the latest release, and the data element edit screen is completely different! Is there a way to do this currently in the current dev. branch? (We've already switched our proof-of-concept to the current release version, so this is making a lot more sense now following your advice and the user manual, which was confusing us in relation to the snapshot!) On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad ol...@ifi.uio.no wrote: Dave, I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual: - chapter 4 on Data Elements - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The data element dimension, and section 19.8 From paper forms to multidimensional data sets - lessons learned Just to add to what Jason wrote: Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data sets or sections. If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with _1_ category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section form design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper form (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on rows). If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom forms. Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation will take place, and let that guide how you design data elements and categories, and not let the data entry form structure control that. The total and subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components (such as validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is definitely an advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in a form. Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the manual. We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session called Design of data elements and data sets): http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html Ola - -- Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr) HISP Department of Informatics University of Oslo Mobile: +47 48069736 Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps link On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave, Welcome! Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me. You need to create a Concept. In this case, it would probably Phase as well. You need to create categories. In your case this would be a Phase. You need to create category options, Phase A and Phase B for the category Phase. You need a Data element category combination as well. In your case, it would be Phases perhaps. If the data elements is further disaggregated by categories Age and Gender you could add these categories as well. Finally , you need a data element Number of patients testing positive for disease X assigned tp Combination of categories Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley dave.tromb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a paper HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema. I have a tabular data structure where I can
