Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

plore what you can than do with the data) just 
after the upcoming DHIS2 academy in Tanzania.   More on that as the plans 
become more concrete.   We certainly would have the documentation improved by 
then ;-)

Nothing in the above is particularly special to iHRIS and DHIS2 and are 
applicable to any HRIS and HMIS.In Zimbabwe they are going through the same 
considerations, though they don’t use iHRIS.

Cheers,
-carl


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> On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kayode
> 
> I think they can.
> 
> It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
> assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
> hmis.   Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
> mind.
> 
> But absolutely nothing which can't be addressed through "local
> arrangements and understandings"
> 
> On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote <odusote.kay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Bob,
>> 
>> Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
>> included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
>> though they are offering administrative services and should need
>> monitoring as well.
>> 
>> Kayode
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lungo
>>> 
>>> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
>>> but well worth watching.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Arthur,
>>>> 
>>>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>>>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>>> 
>>>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>>>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>>>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>>>> facility
>>>> attributes from external database easier.
>>>> 
>>>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>>>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>>>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Lungo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
>>>> <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>>>> <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>>>> to
>>>> integrate with DHIS
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Arthur
>>>> 
>>>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>>>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>>>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>>>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>>>> as far as

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Kayode

I think they can.

It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
hmis.   Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
mind.

But absolutely nothing which can't be addressed through "local
arrangements and understandings"

On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote <odusote.kay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bob,
>
> Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
> included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
> though they are offering administrative services and should need
> monitoring as well.
>
> Kayode
>
>
> On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Lungo
>>
>> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
>> but well worth watching.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bob
>>
>> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Arthur,
>>>
>>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>>
>>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>>> facility
>>> attributes from external database easier.
>>>
>>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>>
>>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Lungo
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com>
>>> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
>>> <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>>> <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>>> to
>>> integrate with DHIS
>>>
>>> Hi Arthur
>>>
>>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>>> as far as I know.
>>>
>>> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
>>> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
>>> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
>>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>>
>>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>>
>>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>>> strategy to solve all problems
>>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>>
>>> In practice I thin

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Kayode Odusote]

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode


On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Lungo
>
> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
> but well worth watching.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Arthur,
>>
>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>
>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>> facility
>> attributes from external database easier.
>>
>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>
>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com>
>> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
>> <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>> <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to
>> integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>> as far as I know.
>>
>> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
>> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
>> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>
>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>
>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>> strategy to solve all problems
>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>
>> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
>> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
>> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
>> demons.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bob
>>
>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Lungo
>>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
>>> make
>>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>
> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility
> attributes from external database easier.
>
> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>
> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com>
> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users
> <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
> <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to
> integrate with DHIS
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lungo
>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>> Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>
>>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>>
>>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
>>> closely
>>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>>
>>> Lungo
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Juma Lungo]

Dear Arthur,
Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the facility 
list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically. 

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS 
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration 
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility 
attributes from external database easier. 

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking for a 
minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands will 
increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
Best regards,

Lungo


  From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com>
 To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> 
Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com>; dhis2-users 
<dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com" 
<calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>
 Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to 
integrate with DHIS
   
Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>
>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
>> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
>> <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>;
>> Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillanc

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

Hi all,
In Sierra Leone we successfully deployed both applications and it was a
success but we had an intermediary connection which is the facility
register, which is this case helps us to synchronize the facility list
between both applications. Normally, iHRIS gives the full background
information of staff within each facilities which can be useful for
analysis during disease outbreak or even as part an indicator.
Furthermore, our iHRIS was empowered using mHERO, which is two-way SMS
connection between iHRIS and health workers. They could update their
profile in iHRIS or receive alter of outbreak or even medical instructions
from their leads.

On Oct 8, 2016 5:45 AM, "Bob Jolliffe" <bobjolli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Lungo
> > Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> > Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> > implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
> make
> > integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
> >
> > Regards
> > Arthur
> >
> > **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
> Zappa)
> > *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> > Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Arthur,
> >>
> >> I would recommend iHRIS.
> >>
> >> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> >> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
> closely
> >> with DHIS2 developers.
> >>
> >> Lungo
> >>
> >>
> >> ________
> >> From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
> >> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
> >> <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com
> >;
> >> Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System
> >> to integrate with DHIS
> >>
> >> Arthur,
> >>
> >> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus
> >> is on a fully i

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>
>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
>> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs
>> <dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>;
>> Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
>> you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>> Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component desig

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> I would recommend iHRIS.
>
> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
> with DHIS2 developers.
>
> Lungo
>
>
> --
> *From:* Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs <
> dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>;
> Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System to integrate with DHIS
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
> help.
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lin...@icap.columbia.ed
> u <laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching 

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
data
I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where
this integration is actually working already?

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker
> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
>> you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>>> you more about that one).
>>>
>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>
>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>>
>>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>>
 I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
 to help.

 On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
 laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:

> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
> DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
> now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
> to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
> database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
> the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with
> these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
> us?
>
> Thanks in 

Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Sean Broomhead]

Hello Arthur - this is an interesting prospect. I'll explore with Calle and
the NDoH folk to see what they feel comfortable with.

Regards,
Sean

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Arthur Heywood 
wrote:

> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>> you more about that one).
>>
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>
>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>
>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>>> help.
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
 We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
 DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
 now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
 to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
 database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

 In searching for tools I have come across the following:
 HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
 the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
 iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​

 I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
 packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

 Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

 *Laura E. Lincks*
 Database Manager/Developer
 ICAP - Columbia University
 Mailman School of Public Health
 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
 New York, NY 10032
 Tel: 212 304 7132

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>>
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Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that 
it would be good to model your data elements after.   

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information 
on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back 
> to you.
> 
> Regards
> Calle
> 
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  > wrote:
> Calle 
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human Resource 
> HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi districts ...
> 
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our 
> needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and then 
> feed back into the development process interesting to know how far you 
> have progressed?
> 
> Cheers
> a
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  > wrote:
> Laura,
> 
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania 
> and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more 
> about that one). 
> 
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing 
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for 
> internship or Community Service posts per annum). 
> 
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with 
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including 
> position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. 
> Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are 
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration 
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user 
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular 
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on 
> a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease 
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
> 
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the 
> workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track 
> salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of 
> other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they 
> actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do 
> (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be 
> expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how 
> to contact them.
> 
> Regards
> Calle
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  > wrote:
> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks"  > wrote:
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
> needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An 
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
> 
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS  in Tanzania developed by the 
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
> 
> Laura E. Lincks <>
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132 
> 
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Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Juma Lungo]

Hi Arthur,
I would recommend iHRIS.
It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many 
countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely with 
DHIS2 developers.
Lungo


  From: Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
 To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> 
Cc: dhis2-users <dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs 
<dhis2-d...@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>; 
Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to 
integrate with DHIS
   
Arthur,
I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on 
a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to 
you.
Regards
Calle
On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Calle In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human 
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi 
districts ...
Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our 
needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and then 
feed back into the development process interesting to know how far you have 
progressed?
Cheersa
**Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
*Skype* arthur_heywood_zaTanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252








On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Laura,
The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania 
and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more 
about that one). 
South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community 
Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or 
Community Service posts per annum). 
We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with 
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including 
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things 
like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by 
other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to 
use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate 
directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly 
will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) 
capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser 
or Android), etc.
Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the 
workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track 
salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of 
other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually 
work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this 
relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to 
include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact 
them.
RegardsCalle
On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com> wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.
On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lin...@icap.columbia.ed u> 
wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Calle Hedberg]

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  wrote:

> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>> you more about that one).
>>
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>
>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>
>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>>> help.
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
 We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
 DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
 now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
 to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
 database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

 In searching for tools I have come across the following:
 HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
 the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
 iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​

 I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
 packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

 Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

 *Laura E. Lincks*
 Database Manager/Developer
 ICAP - Columbia University
 Mailman School of Public Health
 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
 New York, NY 10032
 Tel: 212 304 7132

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Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:

> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>
>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>> help.
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" > u> wrote:
>>
>>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
>>> DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
>>> now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
>>> to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
>>> database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>>
>>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
>>> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>>> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
>>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>>
>>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>>> Database Manager/Developer
>>> ICAP - Columbia University
>>> Mailman School of Public Health
>>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>>> New York, NY 10032
>>> Tel: 212 304 7132
>>>
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>
> Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
>
> Cell: +27-82-853-5352
>
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>
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Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Calle Hedberg]

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc), and how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:

> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
> help.
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" 
> wrote:
>
>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
>> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
>> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
>> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
>> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>
>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
>> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>
>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>> Database Manager/Developer
>> ICAP - Columbia University
>> Mailman School of Public Health
>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>> New York, NY 10032
>> Tel: 212 304 7132
>>
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